Andrew Mitchell

susie123 said:
I'm talking about the job of constituency MP not being a minister or anything like that. Would you want to do it? cos I'm sure I wouldn't.
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So are you saying that if we don't actually harbour the ambition to be an MP, we have no right to criticize them?

We are the people who elect these politicians, we are the people who pay their wages, they work for us, therefore we have every right to criticize them, especially when they behave in a high handed and arrogant fashion as Andrew Mitchell has.
 
Wynonie Harris said:
So are you saying that if we don't actually harbour the ambition to be an MP, we have no right to criticize them?

We are the people who elect these politicians, we are the people who pay their wages, they work for us, therefore we have every right to criticize them, especially when they behave in a high handed and arrogant fashion as Andrew Mitchell has.
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No I'm not saying we shouldn't criticise, of course not, just that there might be a bit more understanding of what the job involves rather than the slagging off which appears to be the norm. Moderation rather than pointscoring. I might be more interested in politics if that were the case.
 
susie123 said:
No I'm not saying we shouldn't criticise, of course not, just that there might be a bit more understanding of what the job involves rather than the slagging off which appears to be the norm. Moderation rather than pointscoring. I might be more interested in politics if that were the case.
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"Pointscoring" is exactly what MPs do. You can hear them at it on TV night after night. It's one of the main reasons why we do criticize them so much on here.
 
It isn't how mild the word was, it is the connotation behind the word...the man was infering that the policeman was of lesser importance....and he was denigrating him in this way. Who is to say that the policeman would not have made a better MP than Andrew Mitchell...had he had the chance or the inclination.

I don't think we need to be able to do the job of an MP to criticise Andrew Mitchell - he was being rude because he hadn't got his way...chucked his dummy....but this isn't why people want him to resign...they want him to resign because he isn't man enough to 'fess up' and tell the truth. He wants us to believe the policeman is a liar.
 
Wynonie Harris said:
"Pointscoring" is exactly what MPs do. You can hear them at it on TV night after night. It's one of the main reasons why we do criticize them so much on here.
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Agree with that, they shouldn't be doing it either. Think it's a reflection on our society today. Everything seems a lot more aggressive.
 
susie123 said:
Agree with that, they shouldn't be doing it either. Think it's a reflection on our society today. Everything seems a lot more aggressive.
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Thing is, Susie, MPs haven't exactly covered themselves in glory in recent years, have they? Despite what the party zealots say, both parties have contributed to the country's decline, by pursuing short-term political advantage to the detriment of long-term national interests. And they've certainly been quick to dip their snouts in the trough. Was it half of the last parliament who were found to have expense irregularities? Even though reforms have now taken place, they still do alright for themselves - a £60,000+ pa salary, expenses and a very generous pension, at a time when ordinary folks' pensions are being cut.

If being an MP's such a demanding, stressful job, it's funny how there's no shortage of candidates when election rolls around!
 
The full transcript of the police report on the Andrew Mitchell incident is published in this morning's Daily Telegraph.

In full: Police log detailing Andrew Mitchell's 'pleb' rant - Telegraph

It makes interesting reading, because it includes a number of comments that Mr Mitchell denies saying.

So either Mr Mitchell is lying, or the police officer is lying.

The attempt by the Cabinet Secretary and Chief of the Met to draw a line under the incident makes things ten times worse in many ways. It smacks of an establishment cover-up to protect one of their own, thereby strengthening the view that some of these people think they are above the law.
 
What really brassed me off about this snotty gets attitude, is CAMERON backed him up.:mad: That should tell everyone wi n ounce of common sense,what they think of ordinary people.
 
Wynonie Harris said:
Another example of how they don't think the rules apply to them.

George Osborne refuses to sit in standard class despite NOT having First Class ticket | Granada - ITV News
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Graham Jones linked to the following tweet from 28th May this year showing that Osborne may have a history of this -

'Ticket inspector on my train just got a high five: george osborne tried to sit in 1st class with a std tkt. Inspector said NO'

Wonder how many times he's actually got away with not paying the £160 excess..which incidentally should come from his own pocket, not his Westminster expense account
 
Whilst we all know what these snots think of us, its obvious to me NO lessons have been learnt following the Mitchell debacle.:rolleyes:
 
no politician has learned anything...after the expenses scandal, there was a story yesterday about Linda Riordan...the MP...nay, the LABOUR MP for Halifax has been renting out an apartment to a fellow MP and getting a nice fat 19K a year by doing so.......the 19K is OUR money.
She has now ended this farcical agreement, but my question is.........Are you going to pay back the money to the public pot?

So Steve, you are right...they are all as bad as each other....you couldn't put a sheet of bronco between them.
 
Guinness said:
Graham Jones linked to the following tweet from 28th May this year showing that Osborne may have a history of this -

'Ticket inspector on my train just got a high five: george osborne tried to sit in 1st class with a std tkt. Inspector said NO'

Wonder how many times he's actually got away with not paying the £160 excess..which incidentally should come from his own pocket, not his Westminster expense account
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I wonder if Graham Jones would've done the same if it had been a Labour politician involved? :rolleyes:
 
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