Fair play,maybe I've just not heard a "convincing opinion" yet,even with all the hard work some members have put into their comments.
Animals killed for training
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Fair play,maybe I've just not heard a "convincing opinion" yet,even with all the hard work some members have put into their comments.
How many are not,(deleted due to forum rules)?
You neatly avoided my little trap.
I live up the road from an abbatoir. The animals being "processed" walk in a fenced line to their deaths, knowing what's coming. They scream, and defecate and try to escape, before watching the worker put a bolt gun to their head. And this is all to put a nice little skrink-wrapped piece of meat in your fridge. No anaesthesia there.
These danish pigs suffer no knowledge of their fate, and no pain. And this is all to help increase the chance of survival of a battlefield soldier or (when the medic's tour of duty is over) a drive-by victim in the inner city.
If you're a vegetarian you'll probably get less friction by starting a thread on how inhuman it is to eat meat. If you do eat meat, Well then, that would make you a hypocrite.
(I'm not a vegetarian, BTW.)
You obviously have not really taken onboard much of what has been said.
You keep on stating that this is a controversial issue - it is only controversial when you do not subscribe to it.
It makes sense to me. I can see the benefits, and they outweigh the drawbacks.
Training that the military receive is also used in the NHS. Research papers are freely available...and it is inevitable that skills learnt in the theatres of war will ultimately benefit trauma victims.
Many surgeons are members of the TA and regularly have tours of duty in places where conflicts are taking place
And I agree with Studio25...given convincing arguments you can change your mind about issues...the only time that this is impossible is if you have a closed mind which is unreceptive to different concepts.
Putting comments on here cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered as hard work.
You cannot be convinced of something if you do not want to be convinced, or if you are not open to a convincing explanation.
I am done with this thread.
I have said all I want to say and it is becoming one of those circular discussions which goes nowhere.
Accyexplorer, if you put up contentious threads, things which you might consider will stir up controversy(whether that be real, imagined or manufactured) then you have to be prepared for views which are at a variance to yours.....and accept the points made in honesty by other forum members.
I'm done!
Can these medics not do their "tests" on say test tube meat or something though it's 2014 not 1950s.
Surely with all our medical technology there are alternatives to live pigs.
Maybe I'm just unreceptive to different concepts
How do you know for sure that they have 'no knowledge of their fate' or suffer any 'pain'?
Can these medics not do their "tests" on say test tube meat or something though it's 2014 not 1950s.
Surely with all our medical technology there are alternatives to live pigs.
Maybe I'm just unreceptive to different concepts
Same question as yesterday, just being served up in a different wrapper.
You lack imagination as well as wit.
Same question as yesterday, just being served up in a different wrapper.
You lack imagination as well as wit.
And your full of wit (well at least something that rhymes with it)
And your full of wit (well at least something that rhymes with it)
Like I say lack of imagination, you aren't the first and you won't be the last to use that one. Glad you could get it in before you go.
A closed mind is like a parachute that fails to open when you need it.
Like I say lack of imagination, you aren't the first and you won't be the last to use that one. Glad you could get it in before you go.
Like most of your low grade comments it's probably not original.......... Go?,go where?
Asking for directions? All the exits are clearly marked, just don't let the door hit your arse as you go through.
I don't know for sure - I've never been to Denmark let alone seen livestock being used for training.
My only evidence for thinking they don't suffer is that it says they are anaesthetised in the link YOU supplied at the top of the thread.
I would have thought someone so sensitive to the death of an unconscious pig would have been voicing a lot more qualms about halal and kosher slaughter- a fully conscious animal having it's throat cut right to the spine then left to bleed to death. Now there is a practice which needs reviewing!
Just read post #238 on the Death of a Woolwich Soldier.
Sensitive to the pigs death but not to its entrails being used as some primitive totem or spell Gordon.
Its whatever suits at the time "D"
As you know,If there is one thing about reading papers it's not to believe the properganda they push.
In the pics it shows the pigs mouth taped up,now Margaret suggested it maybe because of when they come round,but I think it's more to stop them biting if they don't use enough anaesthetic like in the clip I posted,which would suggest they do feel these 'procedures'.
Perhaps I'm a new age hippy but didn't know it
