Another Hypocrite

Ain't it surprising how these socialist suddenly forget their principals as soon as they get their snouts in the trough, whats yours is mine and what's mines me own
 
That just about sums it up John.....Socialists when they have nowt....not socialists when the money rolls in...they conveniently 'forget' their socialist values then don't they?
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
That just about sums it up John.....Socialists when they have nowt....not socialists when the money rolls in...they conveniently 'forget' their socialist values then don't they?
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Ya ask big hearted Aurthur, the biggest of the lot of um and not forgetting Mrs Blair who and I quote "still considers herself a socialist" ya and Crippin was innocent:mad:
 
jaysay said:
Ya ask big hearted Aurthur, the biggest of the lot of um and not forgetting Mrs Blair who and I quote "still considers herself a socialist" ya and Crippin was innocent:mad:
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It seems today's politicians don't think it's wrong to bend the rules for there benefit. Maybe it happened in the past but with not having the same communications we never found out about it. Or was society more honest?
 
claytonx said:
It seems today's politicians don't think it's wrong to bend the rules for there benefit. Maybe it happened in the past but with not having the same communications we never found out about it. Or was society more honest?
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Think yeh probably nailed it, Info these days is more accessible simple as.;)
 
Whilst not supporting his actions, he has not done anything wrong, only used the rules and regulations to his own ends. Can anyone on here with hand on heart say that applying the rules to ones own benifit is not something we all do when possible
 
davemac said:
Whilst not supporting his actions, he has not done anything wrong, only used the rules and regulations to his own ends. Can anyone on here with hand on heart say that applying the rules to ones own benifit is not something we all do when possible
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The article and my own conclusions are not saying that Livingstone has done anything outside the law in making use of a system that thousands of others use to avoid paying tax. The point is that Livingstone described people who evade tax as b*stard's, when he was doing exactly the same thing. Ergo, the man is either a complete idiot, which I don't believe for one minute, or he is what he describes others as being. Either way he is an hypocrite.
 
These politicians know about these loopholes......and they are something which you and I cannot use...we pay our taxes as we earn our money. The Rich people(and I include politicians in this) can avail themselves of these loopholes.
It makes me think that loopholes aren't closed because these people want to be able to exploit them....put a bit more jam on their bread(with a dollop of cream for good measure).
If all these people paid the tax that they were due to pay, then the country would be in much better financial shape. I don't see any politicians pulling their belts a bit. tighter.

No, he hasn't done anything illegal, but as for the morals and ethics.....well, I leave it to you to judge.
 
Acrylic-bob said:
The article and my own conclusions are not saying that Livingstone has done anything outside the law in making use of a system that thousands of others use to avoid paying tax. The point is that Livingstone described people who evade tax as b*stard's, when he was doing exactly the same thing. Ergo, the man is either a complete idiot, which I don't believe for one minute, or he is what he describes others as being. Either way he is an hypocrite.
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I would describe a tax evader as someone who is dishonest, and is not declaring his true income. What you have described is using the system to pay less tax on his declared income. This is something businessmen have been paying accountants to do since accountants existed
 
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Margaret Pilkington said:
These politicians know about these loopholes......and they are something which you and I cannot use...we pay our taxes as we earn our money. The Rich people(and I include politicians in this) can avail themselves of these loopholes.
It makes me think that loopholes aren't closed because these people want to be able to exploit them....put a bit more jam on their bread(with a dollop of cream for good measure).
If all these people paid the tax that they were due to pay, then the country would be in much better financial shape. I don't see any politicians pulling their belts a bit. tighter.

No, he hasn't done anything illegal, but as for the morals and ethics.....well, I leave it to you to judge.
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I think morally he has lost the high ground, and this will be reflected in how many votes he gets when he stands for the mayors position. If he gets voted in then the populace accept this as the norm.
 
I hope the voters do remember his tax evasion...and his own judgement of others who do the same thing.
The thing is if he is dishonest(I consider evading tax to be dishonest) enough to pull this stunt, then why should he be trusted in public office?
 
I think the thing that sticks in my craw the most is the fact that he seems to think that it is perfectly legitimate and understandable for him to avoid paying tax while at the same time criticising others for doing the same thing in more or less the same way.

To judge by his comments it is almost as if he finds the scrutiny personally offensive.
It seems to be, like Margaret says, once you rise beyond a certain level in the public service you seem to loose touch with the real world and how things are percieved there.

(PS. thanks to the moderators for correcting my typo.)
 
We only have to look at our own representative in Westmister to see how power changes good men into greedy ones....greedy for more power, which in turn brings more money...and it seems that however much they have, it is never quite enough.
All thought for the plebs is lost.
 
I notice also, that since his brother stabbed him in the back, Millipede Snr. has made £500,000 from speaking engagements, at a cool £20,000 a day. No wonder he is not too anxious to unseat brother Wallace.
 
Acrylic-bob said:
I notice also, that since his brother stabbed him in the back, Millipede Snr. has made £500,000 from speaking engagements, at a cool £20,000 a day. No wonder he is not too anxious to unseat brother Wallace.
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I think you have dropped on another matter altogether, it has been eluded to in earlier posts. Politicians filling their boots, some even have second jobs that only involve one day a month and get paid pots of cash from companies, I think more to secure favors politically.
I think politicians should only be just that, and not on the board of this or that.


A true socialist in my opinion is Dennis Skinner, yet he is called a dinosaur by the Prime Minister, make of that what you will
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
We only have to look at our own representative in Westmister to see how power changes good men into greedy ones...
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what makes you think he was a good man to begin with he was obvioulsy lying to get our votes but when the crunch came he stabbed everyone in the back and quite blatantly with no sign of regret infact he pretty much acted as though he had done nothing wrong when he eventually tried to justify what he did
 
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He seemed to have the respect of those in his ward.....he seemed to do a good job for his ward constituents........I think it was that, which lulled the electorate of Hyndburn into thinking he would be worth a shot.
Some lessons have to be learned the hard way.

Oh yes, and a bad man wouldn't bother about trying to justify anything.
 
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