Apology

[Barrie Yates]

What a can of worms to open. Lots of relatives and injured people could well be suing Sinn Fein and the IRA - I hope.
When you are in a combat zone and you hear the first round fired you look for a possible target and fire at it. You pray to your God that you have made the right decision maybe, but when you realise it is all over you thank Him that you are still alive and that maybe you got the enemy.

 

[garinda]

nope .. what im saying is now let it rest .. dont go after the soldiers to prosecute em .. they've got what they wanted they were proved to be innocent .. and now to let them rest in peace ..

i meant the money it cost to hold the enquiry ...

I know what you meant, about the money.

It's bought some quite a few feathers, to furnish their lavish nests.


Bloody Sunday rich list: Country houses, French estate, and wealth of the lawyers who charged fees of £100m | Mail Online

 

[setayas]

YouTube - the british soldier

Gives you an idea of the times.
Maybe it was an operational mistake....if so apology given.
Maybe it was a reaction....................??????????????????.

 

[setayas]

Oh sorry, forgot, what was that about mcguiness and an SMG?

 

[Eric]

Yes, I am sure that I heard that a file would be sent to the DPP in Ireland for them to decide whether to prosecute the Paras.

So they try them pour encourager les autres, and those who set policy and had the responsibility for command get off scot free ... seems like there is no shortage of bs over there, with the real culprits probably covering their asses big time.

 

[Mancie]

Don't see why any government should apologise for something it had nothing to do with. Whatever the shortcomings of the present government, most of 'em were probably attending school, when the Bloody Sunday incident took place.

I would, however, like to see Blair and his odious henchmen apologise for the deaths of British servicemen and others in Iraq, caused by their contemptible decision to go to war...wouldn't you, Mancie?

I don't think there's any harm done by making apologies for events, when it has been made clear that a Government, or any person has committed what has been found to be a crime.
As far as the Iraq war goes, it was/is a war and I don't recall anyone apologising for any wars.
I am not taking the side of rioters and support our troops but we should at least apologise when innocent people are killed..even if it is by mistake.

 

[cashman]

How many innocents did the I.R.A. kill mancie? a damn site more n there leaders don't make apologies, but GET REWARDED. so why should the brits have to?

 

[Mancie]

How many innocents did the I.R.A. kill mancie? a damn site more n there leaders don't make apologies, but GET REWARDED. so why should the brits have to?

two wrongs don't make a right.. the IRA were murdering scum no better than Al-qauda...if any of them did make an apology it may be, I say may be, a small comfort to the relatives of those killed simply by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[cashman]

Bloody Sunday was 1 wrong n have great sympathy fer those who lost people, but sorry the I.R.A. had 100s of wrongs, so it don't wash at all wi me.

 

[Wynonie Harris]

I don't think there's any harm done by making apologies for events, when it has been made clear that a Government, or any person has committed what has been found to be a crime.
As far as the Iraq war goes, it was/is a war and I don't recall anyone apologising for any wars.
I am not taking the side of rioters and support our troops but we should at least apologise when innocent people are killed..even if it is by mistake.

Why should the government apologise for something it had nothing to do with? By contrast, the previous Labour government had everything to do with the totally unjustified invasion of Iraq which led to the deaths of British servicemen. What a pity your red blinkers blind you to the injustice of that.

 

[Mancie]

To be honest even without an inquiry, I think most people have known for years that most of those shot on that day were people who had got caught up in a situation that got out of anyones control.. mistakes made and ended in deaths... but the wrong people ended up dead.
I think the apology is in order if only to aknowledge that those shot were not IRA members.. the real culprits got away.. a tragic mistake.

 

[Mancie]

Why should the government apologise for something it had nothing to do with? By contrast, the previous Labour government had everything to do with the totally unjustified invasion of Iraq which led to the deaths of British servicemen. What a pity your red blinkers blind you to the injustice of that.

There ain't no blinkers here..the report on Bloody Sunday has been ongoing for years.. should this Government apologise for sinking of the Belgrano?..to my mind no as it was in an act of war.. mind you that was a Tory Government.. not the Lib-Dem we have now.

 

[Barrie Yates]

It seems to be a British trait - glorify the ex-terrorists - Makarios, Kenyatta. Mugabe, McGiunness & Adams. If any of the troops should be arraigned then so should the latter two, and prhaps also Blair & Brown for taking the country into, and continuing with two illegal wars.
As the IRA fought against the law of the land - and therefore the Queen, is that not treason?
Don't think it was too long ago that the death penalty was abolished for treason and piracy.

 

[Wynonie Harris]

should this Government apologise for sinking of the Belgrano?..to my mind no as it was in an act of war.

Surely you're not trying to compare the Falklands and Iraq, are you? In the former, we went to war to defend British territory and more importantly, British subjects from occupation by a fascist military junta. In the latter, Iraq posed no threat to us at all (despite being ruled by a bloodthirsty dicatator) and we went to war in order to pursue our foreign policy of meekly trotting behind the yanks. Hardly comparable.

 

[yerself]

It seems to be a British trait - glorify the ex-terrorists - Makarios, Kenyatta. Mugabe, McGiunness & Adams.

You forgot Mandela.

 

[DaveinGermany]

So after all the bleating & the contrition by the Government only a couple of days ago now this !!

Hundreds evacuated after security alert in Northern Ireland - Crime, UK - The Independent

Like most people have been saying, we shouldn't have apologised.

 

[Barrie Yates]

You forgot Mandela.

Yes i did and I offer my apologies for the ommission as he was ultimately responsible for a great number of horrendous murders - his own tribe, Zulu, and whites. Which leads me to ask a question - are any of these countries better off (the general population), than they were under Colonial Rule?

 

[Mancie]

Surely you're not trying to compare the Falklands and Iraq, are you? In the former, we went to war to defend British territory and more importantly, British subjects from occupation by a fascist military junta. In the latter, Iraq posed no threat to us at all (despite being ruled by a bloodthirsty dicatator) and we went to war in order to pursue our foreign policy of meekly trotting behind the yanks. Hardly comparable.

Well yes, but only as far both were wars.. like it or not it makes little difference, you can pick and choose which war you like or dislike but troops and civilians are going to be killed.. to carp on about Blair or Bush or any leader to apologise for a war is not going to happen.. that does not mean we cannot say sorry for killing innocent people.. but then that's just my opinion.

 

[steeljack]

Yes i did and I offer my apologies for the ommission as he was ultimately responsible for a great number of horrendous murders - his own tribe, Zulu, and whites. Which leads me to ask a question - are any of these countries better off (the general population), than they were under Colonial Rule?

I suppose the answer to your question is ...... who's fault is it that "British Africa" is in the state its in .......in my opinion its the fault of succesive British Govts. beginning with the infamous "Winds of Change " speech made by Prime Minister Harold Macmillon , which signaled the abandoment of our 'responsibilities' . We just pulled out leaving the native populations to manage for themselves in a world of which they had no knowledge ..... and then we acted all surprised when folks like Idi Amin, Mugabe,Kenyatta or Mandela popped up . Don't get me wrong the British weren't the only ones who made a collosal mistakes , anyone remember Emporer Bokassa of the "Central African Empire" or Mobutu in Zaire and his brother-in-law Holden Roberto in Angola

 

[Wynonie Harris]

Well yes, but only as far both were wars.. like it or not it makes little difference, you can pick and choose which war you like or dislike but troops and civilians are going to be killed.. to carp on about Blair or Bush or any leader to apologise for a war is not going to happen.. that does not mean we cannot say sorry for killing innocent people.. but then that's just my opinion.

Oi, Mancie, what's all this reasonableness about?..."but then that's just my opinion"?!!?...I was expecting a full-on "imperialist, running dog, capitalist scum" type rant! Are you coming down with something?