Bigger crowd

It's a "Chicken & Egg" syndrome and I can see both sides of the argument

The plus points of the database appear to be:
Datbase for the Club which I don't think exsisits outside season ticket holders
Direct info to your inbox?
Booking tickets in advance?
Shopping Facility linked to the Club Shop from the software
Marketing can be specifically targetted with offers
Ticketing Bundles can be perhaps offered in groups of three game, five games etc.

Disadvantages
Small Fan Base
Limited Numbers to target
Initial Outlay
Not everyone has web access or can be bothered
Walk on's may be put off by the price increase unless booking before hand

Both the advantages & disadvantages can probably be tackled from with the system which will be quicker, more effective and less labour intensive than without the system which may give the Club more time to be out & about in the Community spreading the word.

If it proves to pay for itself and brings in more punters and helps the Club become more proactive then I am Happy:)
 
DAV007 said:
Wynonie - bit of a grudge growing? We are all waiting for the fans forum; in the mean time Iylas has been kind enough to come on here and answer questions.
I guess you have some sort of connection to the Oneill & Heys double act?
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Ha, ha, ha, brilliant, Davo! Who do you think I am, the shadowy enforcer behind "the firm"? :D

All I've done is repeated what you said. YOU were the one who said you'd given your season ticket away to some kid and you "hoped he enjoyed the last 3 home games". YOU were the one who said you weren't going to home matches, only away ones because it was "the perfect solution". Is bringing up the truth a little inconvenient for you?

Have you not understood what Ilyas is saying? He says he wants us to support the club and the management that's in place at the moment (whatever our personal feelings may be about them). The LAST thing he wants is the sort of boycott you're proposing, and if you don't believe me, just ask him.

I'm turning up and supporting the lads on the Clayton End, you're not. Who do you think Ilyas would say was doing the right thing?
 
I did give away my season ticket because i cant make the last few games. The kid was over the moon. I clearly stated i was 100% behind Iylas but still had legitimate questions which is why the fan forum must happen.
One indirect question regarding bigger crowds, are the club renting out the burger 'dog food' van space in the clayton end or will they be running it themselves?
 
DAV007 said:
I did give away my season ticket because i cant make the last few games. The kid was over the moon. I clearly stated i was 100% behind Iylas but still had legitimate questions which is why the fan forum must happen.
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No good muddying the waters now, Davo. You're the one who said that you wouldn't be going to any more home matches because you didn't want to give the club any more of your money. How can you possibly say that you're 100% behind Ilyas when you won't even turn up at the Crown?
 
DAV007 said:
I did give away my season ticket because i cant make the last few games. The kid was over the moon. I clearly stated i was 100% behind Iylas but still had legitimate questions which is why the fan forum must happen.
One indirect question regarding bigger crowds, are the club renting out the burger 'dog food' van space in the clayton end or will they be running it themselves?
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As far a I know, somebody rents the space!!
 
That is one area could be explored to see if it is viable and if it could be done in house so to speak, most grounds I have been to it is heated food rollover hot dogs, pies, sausage rolls out of warmers, geyser with Hot Water for your coffee, tea, Bovril, that it is out of pre-packed cups, Bottled Water, fizzy drinks, crisps, chocolate & sweets money straight into the Clubs coffers.

My particular favourite has to be Scouse Pie or Premium Pie as it is called £2.90 at Anfield made by none other than our own Clayton Park Bakery.:)
 
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Pendle Red said:
That is one area could be explored to see if it is viable and if it could be done in house so to speak, most grounds I have been to it is heated food rollover hot dogs, pies, sausage rolls out of warmers, geyser with Hot Water for your coffee, tea, Bovril, that it is out of pre-packed cups, Bottled Water, fizzy drinks, crisps, chocolate & sweets money straight into the Clubs coffers.

My particular favourite has to be Scouse Pie or Premium Pie as it is called £2.90 at Anfield made by none other than our own Clayton Park Bakery.:)
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With the amount of Scousers we have, I would have thought they would be on sale at The Crown!!!! :D :D
 
DAV007 said:
I did give away my season ticket because i cant make the last few games. The kid was over the moon. I clearly stated i was 100% behind Iylas but still had legitimate questions which is why the fan forum must happen.
One indirect question regarding bigger crowds, are the club renting out the burger 'dog food' van space in the clayton end or will they be running it themselves?
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Today the club do frainshise out the ground catering. It takes away the uncertainty and the "hassle"

IMHO no change, tell the club if you think this is wrong :)
 
This electronic ticket system / caper is in my opinion, a massive own goal. All well and good taking the club forwards by introducing the facility, but my opinion alone, it will have detrimental consequences.:(

As said by many others, I can't see how making it even dearer to attend on the day will take the club forward. Look either way down the M65, better football on offer with better facilities at much the same price.

I think the added cost for walk on prices is massively influenced by paying for this system and in all honesty I can't see why we need it. It's not like it would be needed every week, would only be worth it's while for a couple of games a season, ala games like Bury, Bradford & Rochdale or a big cup game (bearing in mind Rochdale won't be here next year and Bury might not be if they go up in the play-offs.) If we were to spend money improving anything it would be better spent improving facilities.

How does making it even dearer and inconveniencing folk by making them to have to think about getting tickets in advance, in order to get football at the price they pay at the moment, to use poor facilities, attract more folk onto the ground???:confused:

I can see it putting folk off, having a negative impact on attendances and in turn exasperating the problem. Lower attendances meaning less income, lower budget, etc, etc, etc.:(

Seriously, have the powers that be thought this one through ???:confused:
 
carpon said:
I think the added cost for walk on prices is massively influenced by paying for this system
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If Carpon's thought is correct, the increase would be a bad move. Increased prices and consequently potentially reduced attendance are unlikely to pay for anything. On th other hand, if the increase is to bring us in line with other League 2 pricing - and I've not paid less anywhere else in L2 as a day tripper - has anybody ? - then that's a commercial judgement.

Rovers' prices, hugely subsidised by their Premier League membership and consequent income, would be irrelevant if they were more than 5 miles down the road. Unfortunately they're not :( - but we can't take them into account when doing our own pricing. (Sorry Lancs Dave - I would have included your lot but unfortunately ...)

£10 walk-on would be lovely for me, given I turn up very occasionally. But it won't provide the financial support a League 2 operation needs. I'll happily pay £13 or £15 - a sociable half gallon of bitter (N.B. not lager, or milk) in the Crown or Oaklea after the game and I've saved the difference, given effete southern beer prices (need to drink a lot to cover the petrol too, though).

Actually as an exile I shouldn't enter into this debate as the cost of admission is insignificant as a percentage of the cost to me of watching a game at the Crown - so why the hell am I typing this just after midnight? :confused:
 
carpon said:
This electronic ticket system / caper is in my opinion, a massive own goal. All well and good taking the club forwards by introducing the facility, but my opinion alone, it will have detrimental consequences.:(

As said by many others, I can't see how making it even dearer to attend on the day will take the club forward. Look either way down the M65, better football on offer with better facilities at much the same price.

I think the added cost for walk on prices is massively influenced by paying for this system and in all honesty I can't see why we need it. It's not like it would be needed every week, would only be worth it's while for a couple of games a season, ala games like Bury, Bradford & Rochdale or a big cup game (bearing in mind Rochdale won't be here next year and Bury might not be if they go up in the play-offs.) If we were to spend money improving anything it would be better spent improving facilities.

How does making it even dearer and inconveniencing folk by making them to have to think about getting tickets in advance, in order to get football at the price they pay at the moment, to use poor facilities, attract more folk onto the ground???:confused:

I can see it putting folk off, having a negative impact on attendances and in turn exasperating the problem. Lower attendances meaning less income, lower budget, etc, etc, etc.:(

Seriously, have the powers that be thought this one through ???:confused:
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Tuesday night's game against Barnet will be a key acid test for whether the system will work or not, if people don't come on at them prices then maybe it will and should demand a re-think on matchday prices
 
Pendle Red said:
Tuesday night's game against Barnet will be a key acid test for whether the system will work or not, if people don't come on at them prices then maybe it will and should demand a re-think on matchday prices
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Do not be too hasty PR, Tuesday against Barnet, end of the season, nowt to play for type of game, plus Euro footy on the tele! It will be a test yes, but not - I think - a defining one :confused: :) :)
 
Well just as a footnote to my earlier post....

I was talking to a few folk at work today, supporters of Burnley & Blackburn; and when telling them of next years plans regarding walk on prices, it only went to confirm what I feared.:(

They were pretty much in agreement, that this policy will probably stop them going watching Stanley when their own clubs don't have a game.:mad:

They find it crazy that a club in our position ( i.e. attendances) is trying to implement this scheme and they cited the inconvenience of having to buy tickets in advance as THE reason why they'll probably stop going; added to the fact that IF they decided to go on the day of a game, they pretty much agreed that £17 to sit or £15 to stand to watch a Stanley game are prices they wouldn't pay. I couldn't post some of their statements of amazement for fear of breaking the foul language rules, but I pretty much guess that you can get the picture:(

This may of course not be a true reflection mirrored by other fans of these clubs, but IF it is true, then it's worrying to say the least.

IF that opinion is shared by other neutrals who might be considering watching Stanley, then as stated in my earlier post, I fear this is a massive own goal.

My own personal opinion, but I think the club offering a £2 reduction if paying in advance ( i.e. £13 to sit or £11 to stand ) would have had a more positive effect. But I suppose the club would state it has to absorb the additional cost of this ticketing facility and that is reflected in the increased walk on prices.

For a club that probably only needs a ticket policy for a couple of games a season, to alienate potential walk on fans in this manner is, as stated by outsiders looking in ( i.e. the other fans & potential walk ons) crazy!!!.

How does this increase attendaces or for that matter revenue ?????:confused:
 
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Personally I think the money should have been spent on other things that are of more importance such as sorting the pitch out. The ticket system is not required at the moment as the club doesn't have the fanbase to justify such a huge outlay for this. Increasing prices with emphasis on pre-match tickets at the same price as current walk on prices is a completely ridiculous commercial strategy which will only do harm to any chances of increasing the fanbase. Why not use the money to put it towards subsdising a price reduction of walk on price for next season or at least keep it at the same prices as this season.

The easiest way of attracting new fans and walk ons is by keeping prices low not making more expensive to pay on the gate. I am afraid that this will alienate people that decide on a whim to go on a Stanley game because they are not going to pay extra money to watch and nor are they likely to go out of their way to order a ticket. It may sound harsh but that is they way it is. The biggest key to increasing gates is to look at offering family tickets at a fair price, offering inclusive deals for tickets and a drink or pie. Things like these will result in an increase of usage of the lounge and hopefully entice more walk ons. The pricing strategy I would have is that adult prices at £10 and kids at £5, this more than anything else will help to create the positive headlines that are required to get a major increase in fans.
 
as far as i'm aware the pitch upgrade is being done close season n completly differant funds fer it.:)
 
Cashy - Fine if the pitch is being sorted but all I was meaning is that the money is better spent on things that need changing. It could be spent on helping Coley get some more players or upgrading the Coppice, the ticket system will take a long time to pay for itself!
 
bdc said:
Cashy - Fine if the pitch is being sorted but all I was meaning is that the money is better spent on things that need changing. It could be spent on helping Coley get some more players or upgrading the Coppice, the ticket system will take a long time to pay for itself!
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possibly so, i don't know enough about what money goes where n why to say yeh or neh.:)
 
I think a lot of you are going overboard about the ticketing system. It's only part of a system which has been implemented which also includes modernising & proffesionalising the retail side, a point made hundreds of times by people on here that it's been needed for years. I would guess the system is also used for a lot of administration work elsewhere in the club.

I know the system didn't decide the prices, and no matter what price is set not everybody will be happy, but all it's done is allowed a flexibility to be put in place. More often than not, systems like this are actually rented rather than purchased so I doubt any major outlay has been made.
 
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