Ref had a shocker although I have to agree with him on the zanzala decision , definite red in my book , some of the bookings dished out were really petty an in the end he had lost complete control , were conceding far to many goals of late which is something that needs to be addressed , agree with Sean being the best of a not so great bunch today an thaught Connor Hall’s work rate when he came on was good to see. Little break from the league now could do us well I hope.
Bratfud game thread
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Morning. Agreed the ref wasn’t great but can’t agree Zanzala was ‘kicked from pillar to post’. As one of your fellow posters has said he seemed to fall over/dive a fair bit, had the crowd on his back and as a result took it out on our player O’Brien (who had to go to hospital for stitches in his shin) - red card all day long and I’d say O’Brien was lucky it wasn’t worse.
Coleman must be very frustrated as I think it was Zanzala who ran the game when we played at your place, albeit as your posters have said we’re a different team from then to now.
As for the offside call you mention, think this is the 2nd or 3rd season in operation for the offside law change where the free kick is given at the point the player commits the offence, even if it’s in his own half e.g. you could be 10 yards inside the opponent’s half when the ball is played, but it’s just cut out by a defender, you then run straight back into your own half to tackle him - the free kick will now be given at the point you became offside i.e. interfered.
It’s pretty rare, but we had one given against us in very similar circumstances in the first season the change was live. I’ve pasted an extract from a newspaper article at the time the change was announced:
“Part of the law book says when players commit an offside offence you give a free-kick where the offence occurred. The other part of the law book says you give a free-kick where the player was when he was in the offside position. So a player can actually move 20 yards from being in an offside position … and it is only the moment he plays the ball that he is penalised. The law tells you to give the free-kick in two different places.
“So, in future, the free-kick will always be given where he commits the offside offence, even if he is in his own half, because you cannot be in an offside position in your own half, but you can go back into your own half to commit an offside offence.”
So whilst I get why you’re having a go at the ref about his handling of the game, you can’t criticise him for that particular decision! Good luck for the rest of the season.
zanzala was sent off because he lost it due to the ref. giving the benefit of any doubt to the home side which he constantly did for the first 60 minutes . kick a dog enough and they will eventually bite you. giving an offside decision and then allowing the side to take the free kick in the opposition half would not be seen even in kids football. anyone who never went to the game would have thought with 6 cautions and a sending off we went there just to give em a good kicking and nothing was further from the truth. funny how their no.22 who firstly had a go at zanzala and then billy only got a talking to. at the end of the day however it could have been a different game if we had switched on for their first goal.
Thats what i said?
The ref gave everything to Bradford, our 10 men were playing against 12 men. Yellow cards were so petty, yet Bradford players doing the same didn,t get cards. Bradford even got the throw in when it was them who have kicked the ball out.
A complete disgrace from the ref. We looked like a filthy team because or the bookings .
Hope that is the last of the bad bunch.
A complete disgrace from the ref. We looked like a filthy team because or the bookings .
Hope that is the last of the bad bunch.
god help us if we have him at sunderland infront of an even bigger crowd. if you let a large crowd and a big ground affect you then being a football league referee is not for you. do not worry if the bad bunch means the inexperianced refs. then we,ll see the like again as we do seem to get more of our fair share of em.
Their player taking an offside free kick in our half was wrong, but so trivial. One bloke behind me must have nearly had a stroke getting so bloody angry. It gained them all of 3 yards.
Often players don’t get booked for kicking the ball away. Maybe they should. However, Ripley clearly deserved to be booked for booting the ball away as it denied them a good opportunity and he did boot it away quite a distance.
Clark’s booking didn’t surprise me. You could hear the Bradford players shin pad getting a crack from the back of the stand.
In contrast, I thought Bradford were a much more disciplined team.
Yes, the ref was poor in my opinion but not biased
Often players don’t get booked for kicking the ball away. Maybe they should. However, Ripley clearly deserved to be booked for booting the ball away as it denied them a good opportunity and he did boot it away quite a distance.
Clark’s booking didn’t surprise me. You could hear the Bradford players shin pad getting a crack from the back of the stand.
In contrast, I thought Bradford were a much more disciplined team.
Yes, the ref was poor in my opinion but not biased
aint saying some of ours were not deserved, but Bradford got away with loads before Zanzala was deservedly sent off.I don't have any issues with referees applying the strict letter of the law ..... provided the referee remains consistent.
So when the Bradford player launches the ball into the stand well after the whistle was blown is that any different to Ripley ?
The Clark one was not a booking. The ref simply reacted to the crack from the shin pad.
Again with dissent why was Billy booked for protesting over the challenge on Finlay (given) but the 5 man mob jostling him after Zanzala's tackle was acceptable ?
I'm not going to suggest for one minute he set out to be biased.
As for the free kick in our half for the offside that is inept refereeing and again poor on the lino's part. Just because a fan vented his frustration shouldn't annoy you ....... its called passion for your club.
I'm not a referee but have previously vented at the officials for allowing free kicks for off side to be taken inside the half way line. Apparently that's where you take it if at the point of the pass the player is in the opposing half (and offside) but then only becomes active when he either receives or moves towards the ball having run into their own half. Whilst i don't fully understand the rule , i have seen seasoned TV commentators spout the same incredulity and be corrected by the ex referee pundit on sky.
As for the sending off, what frustrated me was not their players surrounding the ref, but that ours didn't bother.
It took Clark to spot the potential red and run 20 yards to get amongst their players and the ref to fight Zanzala's corner.
Barlaser and Finley who were closest looked disinterested. I've just watched the highlights to verify my recollection from yesterday.
As for the sending off, what frustrated me was not their players surrounding the ref, but that ours didn't bother.
It took Clark to spot the potential red and run 20 yards to get amongst their players and the ref to fight Zanzala's corner.
Barlaser and Finley who were closest looked disinterested. I've just watched the highlights to verify my recollection from yesterday.
That really sums up how ridiculous the offside rules have become. I would truly **** myself if a clearance got caught in the wind and Billy set off backwards finally becoming active in his own box.
Is that a penalty then ? Hahaha !
Thanks for the nod Simpson.
You learn something every day.
Is that a penalty then ? Hahaha !
Thanks for the nod Simpson.
You learn something every day.
Simpson is correct, the placement of an indirect free kick is from the point where the attacker interferes/plays the ball so therefore it can be in the oppositions half.
If the situation you mention Twenty Eight happens it would still be an indirect free kick in penalty area. Can't be a penalty as its indirect.
Hope this clears up that bit of confusion.
If the situation you mention Twenty Eight happens it would still be an indirect free kick in penalty area. Can't be a penalty as its indirect.
Hope this clears up that bit of confusion.
Don’t panic! Trying to put a bit of balance into things. We’ve been under par in the last 2 games and been well beaten, however, in balance, we’re mid table one level up from last season and learning at this level with a decent 3rd round FA cup tie to look forward to and a Checkatrade Cup game closely following.
Agree with Coley that we started brightly, and for me, seemed to get rattled by Ripley’s booking, lost concentration and conceded a sloppy goal. Zanzala didn’t seem to handle the occasion, let the crowd get to him, and overcommitted to recover a poor first touch by lunging in. Good move for Scott Brown to get into dressing room to be present when Zanzala get back there. We switched off again for second goal. Management team set stall out to have a go in second half with substitutions and formation change, only to be undone with a decent goal 5 mins in, albeit we did stand off the lad on the edge of the box. Huffed and puffed from then on with no real threat.
If someone had offered me being in this position over half way through the season, I’d gladly have taken it.
That all said, we need to quickly get out of this sticky period quickly as the danger of getting sucked into a relegation battle is a risk.
Not long ago, we were 4th and we haven’t turned into a bad side overnight - other teams may have worked us out, but let’s remember, we’re a league up from last season and against better players and managers.
Agree with Coley that we started brightly, and for me, seemed to get rattled by Ripley’s booking, lost concentration and conceded a sloppy goal. Zanzala didn’t seem to handle the occasion, let the crowd get to him, and overcommitted to recover a poor first touch by lunging in. Good move for Scott Brown to get into dressing room to be present when Zanzala get back there. We switched off again for second goal. Management team set stall out to have a go in second half with substitutions and formation change, only to be undone with a decent goal 5 mins in, albeit we did stand off the lad on the edge of the box. Huffed and puffed from then on with no real threat.
If someone had offered me being in this position over half way through the season, I’d gladly have taken it.
That all said, we need to quickly get out of this sticky period quickly as the danger of getting sucked into a relegation battle is a risk.
Not long ago, we were 4th and we haven’t turned into a bad side overnight - other teams may have worked us out, but let’s remember, we’re a league up from last season and against better players and managers.
Monkey hanger, you should really go and have a read of the laws of the game if you think the ref was incorrect to have the placement of the free kick from an offside offence in the other half.
This changed around 2 and a half years ago and is now from the place where the attacker is when the offside is penalised so hence can be in the other half.
If that happened to be in the penalty area then it would be an indirect free kick not a penalty.
This changed around 2 and a half years ago and is now from the place where the attacker is when the offside is penalised so hence can be in the other half.
If that happened to be in the penalty area then it would be an indirect free kick not a penalty.
It has been that way since the offside law came into place, but the free kick has only been where the player goes for the ball rather than the initial position for the last 3/4 years, hence it cane now be anywhere.
It was clear at the game that a lot of fans didn't have a clue.
Hardly the officials' fault though.
No wonder refs are held in such low esteem if they have to enforce such nonsense.
So, an attacking player standing alone in the opponents’ half isn’t offside unless he ‘interferes’ with play, but if he runs back into his own half in order to ‘interfere’ with play, he’s offside.
So, an attacking player standing alone in the opponents’ half isn’t offside unless he ‘interferes’ with play, but if he runs back into his own half in order to ‘interfere’ with play, he’s offside.
it was a different incident to what you and exile have mentioned. he became active in the bradford half of the play a few yards into their half and not in our half. if it had been in our half i imagine the linesman would have positioned himself on the half way line and not a few yards back in their half opposite where the kick should have been from.