The people i am refering to bring nothing but their illness.In a perfect world we could treat everyone for free but its not a perfect world and these people eat away at a system that is already at the point of collapse.People who live in the UK legitimatley are left to die simply because their post code dictates that their local health authority cant afford the drug that will save their life.People who actually should get treatment in this country are getting refused life saving treatments.AIDS was just an example i know it dosnt descriminate but to put it simply its not this tiny Islands job to cure the worlds problems although it does seem like it is at times
Breast Implants
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The people i am refering to bring nothing but their illness.In a perfect world we could treat everyone for free but its not a perfect world and these people eat away at a system that is already at the point of collapse.People who live in the UK legitimatley are left to die simply because their post code dictates that their local health authority cant afford the drug that will save their life.People who actually should get treatment in this country are getting refused life saving treatments.AIDS was just an example i know it dosnt descriminate but to put it simply its not this tiny Islands job to cure the worlds problems although it does seem like it is at times
I live in Germany Blazey & a fair chunk of my wages goes into the health system here, I also have to pay at the point of treatment & some medicines I must also pay towards when they're issued. For these contributions I expect a certain standard of treatment commensurate with my input & if I am referred to a third party my dues have already been paid, so no I don't think I'd look elsewhere.
I once required treatment for a suspected broken wrist while on Holiday in the UK (Scotland) and was prepared to pay & give my medical details to the Hospital concerned so they could recoup their outlay for the services I'd used only to be waved away without having to pay.
I have no problems with people being treated so long as something is in place to ensure the NHS aren't left to carry the costs. Sadly the "Health tourists" do not put anything into the system & have no intention of doing so, this then leaves genuine cases going empty handed because of insufficient funding to treat their ills.
The implant issue on purely selfish grounds should come from the pocket of those that desire such an operation, whereas the treatment when clinically relevant should be within the NHS remit.
I once required treatment for a suspected broken wrist while on Holiday in the UK (Scotland) and was prepared to pay & give my medical details to the Hospital concerned so they could recoup their outlay for the services I'd used only to be waved away without having to pay.
I have no problems with people being treated so long as something is in place to ensure the NHS aren't left to carry the costs. Sadly the "Health tourists" do not put anything into the system & have no intention of doing so, this then leaves genuine cases going empty handed because of insufficient funding to treat their ills.
The implant issue on purely selfish grounds should come from the pocket of those that desire such an operation, whereas the treatment when clinically relevant should be within the NHS remit.
You can't have breast enlargement on the NHS for purely selfish reasons, only medical grounds and they're medically assessed, usually including psychiatric assessment as well as physical considerations. Therefore this whole debate seems silly to me. I already said that if it is the case that someone has had private treatment to have their breast enlargement then the private clinic should rectify the problem anyway, not the NHS. Though to be honest just because someone does something out of vanity doesn't necessarily mean they shouldn't have their health problems seen to. Some people suffer severe allergic reactions from hair dye, should we not bother ringing for the ambulance if we see them suffocating just because it happened to be caused by someone seeking to change the way they look? I'm not convinced.
I personally wouldn't have a breast enlargement because I'm happy with them but I can understand why women and men choose to use plastic surgery to enhance the way they feel about themselves. Things go wrong and normally if they've paid a private clinic for that treatment then it is the private clinic who fixes it. But who is at fault if the UK has allowed these implants into the country in the first place? If you are blaming the government for lax regulations in terms of immigration then why are you blaming ordinary people for the government's inability to keep faulty illegal produce out of the country and out of use? I don't really understand the logic. I'd rather that money I contribute to be paid to fix the problems these women might face than pay for the PM's holidays, put it that way!
I personally wouldn't have a breast enlargement because I'm happy with them but I can understand why women and men choose to use plastic surgery to enhance the way they feel about themselves. Things go wrong and normally if they've paid a private clinic for that treatment then it is the private clinic who fixes it. But who is at fault if the UK has allowed these implants into the country in the first place? If you are blaming the government for lax regulations in terms of immigration then why are you blaming ordinary people for the government's inability to keep faulty illegal produce out of the country and out of use? I don't really understand the logic. I'd rather that money I contribute to be paid to fix the problems these women might face than pay for the PM's holidays, put it that way!
Not everyone who wants to get 'high' uses illegal drugs, many use prescriptive drugs and millions and millions of people drink alcohol for the same reasons. Everything has a risk.
Could I just say, that if surgery of any kind has left a person at risk of their life, then surely no matter who's fault it is, we as a society must make sure that everything is done to rectify the problem.
The expense surely is secondary to a life, perhaps once that is sorted we can look at getting the money back from whoever is to blame?
The expense surely is secondary to a life, perhaps once that is sorted we can look at getting the money back from whoever is to blame?
Why take unnecessary risks
I think that I read something in the newspaper last week, about France having some kind of fund to pay compensation to those who have been affected by these implants.
Some things you do go tits-up. If you went private in the first place pay private to get it fixed.
when you buy goods and services you are entitled to expect that the goods and services are of servicable quality, and designed for purpose.
I know the company that started all this went bust (so to speak) but shouldnt goverments that had a responsibility to ensure manufacturing safety, now step up and put peoples mind at rest by taking the descision to help all cases, and recover costs from the people involved.
I know the company that started all this went bust (so to speak) but shouldnt goverments that had a responsibility to ensure manufacturing safety, now step up and put peoples mind at rest by taking the descision to help all cases, and recover costs from the people involved.
Thats probably true, but can yeh see the frogs paying fer us?
I'll try not to be political but the NHS "reforms" don't look to good when it comes to public verses private..seems to me the government have not told these private med companies to rectify the problems with these implants.. they have said they "expect a good response".. is that it?..not a mention of demanding the private firms clean up their own house ..I fear we are driving head long into a new "private" NHS Government to allow 49% of NHS hospital beds for private patients
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Thats probably true, but can yeh see the frogs paying fer us?
has anybody asked them to ????????????
I shouldn't think so, can't see anyone being that daft.
I shouldn't think so, can't see anyone being that daft.
plus we are not best friends with them at the moment, well, we never have been. thats why De Gaul objected to our joining the common market all those years ago, despite the historic favours we did them, (dont mention the war)
Ya they can sod off in the next oneplus we are not best friends with them at the moment, well, we never have been. thats why De Gaul objected to our joining the common market all those years ago, despite the historic favours we did them, (dont mention the war)
I agree Margaret, but then only a woman can answer that.I think it could be the celebrity culture.
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Apparently this gel was used in some prosthetics used for men(testicular prostheses)....so it might be that some men may be suffering with ill health through the use of these prosthetics.