Built to Last

Will Built to Last change the way you vote?

  • I am still voting Labour

    Votes: 6 23.1%

  • I will now vote Conservative

    Votes: 3 11.5%

  • I already voted Conservative

    Votes: 2 7.7%

  • I am still voting for another party

    Votes: 7 26.9%

  • I will not be voting

    Votes: 8 30.8%
  • Total voters
    26
cashman said:
as someone who has voted for the best part of 40 years religiously, i am now at the stage that i would rather have my teeth pulled out with pliers than ever vote again for ANY of these useless,egotistical,lying, pieces of DUNG. and i,m not a child rindy.;)
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seems someones a bit touchy?:D
 
g jones said:
and tackling other neighbourhood problems. Or ignore the problems, leave it to others, blame everyone else and close the front door, how many people every year vote for that? Too many. "There's no such thing as Society".
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So, Graham, what happens if you tackle these "neighbourhood problems"? At best, you get a mouthful of abuse from the scum or at worst, you get a good beating and, in some instances, lose your life. Then, what happens to the prepetrators? They get a ridiculously light prison sentence with of course early release. And what have your government done in the last nine years to remedy this situation? Despite tough talking from successive home secretaries (including the latest incumbent, John Reid), zilch!

So, instead of coming on here, lecturing us about what we're not doing, why don't you tell your government to adopt a sensible law and order policy - ie, murderers locked up for the rest of their lives and other violent thugs and indeed criminals in general locked up for much longer periods in extremely spartan conditions. Or does that offend your liberal sensibilities?
 
dont like cameron one bit! got a face I could punch!:hitting8: dont know why just does and i dont like the way he talks either,thought john major was bad! and as for voting they can all :swear8:
 
You mean like this

The managing director of an international company has told the Herald why he punched a 16-year-old hooligan - and why he would be prepared to do it again.

Linda Ram

Dean White says the teenage tearaway and his gang had leapt over a five-foot fence to intimidate and hurl abuse at him, his wife and two daughters on the drive of their Fazeley home.

"I felt my family was in danger," Mr White, the boss of a firm in Coventry, said.

"I don't regret my actions and if similar circumstances arose again, I would do the same thing, because in a situation like that you are under threat."

The 45-year-old then found himself at the centre of a police investigation after officers caught the youth, who then said he wanted to press charges against Mr White.

"I stood up to these morons and yet I was the one being investigated. My teenage daughters were on the drive and also being subjected to very violent behaviour - we were all very frightened."

The nightmare unfolded one night last week when a gang of boys and girls - said to have clearly been drinking - were being rowdy in the street.

As Mr White also had his three-month-old grandson in the house, he and his wife went outside to ask them to move along.

But they were met with a volley of abuse, foul language and threatening behaviour.

Five of the gang scaled the fence which protects the family home and jumped onto their drive.

"It was five on one. They had backed me up to the front door and one of them was right in my face. He would have hit me, so I punched him.

"I was exercising my right to defend myself, my wife, my children, my grandson and my property.

"I would be gobsmacked if they said there were still charges to answer."

Mr White feels more should be done about antisocial behaviour before things get out of hand.

"Enough is enough!" he added.

"If the council and the police do not clamp down on this sort of unruly behaviour, then it will force vigilantes onto our streets."

The youth later dropped the charges against Mr White, who is now unlikely to be prosecuted.

Police say they will be looking into the problems in the area caused by youths.
 
Dosnt matter which party is in power the mold is now set and neither wil swing from it very wide in case they upset the wrong people. With the Labour war going on Cameron could get in evn if Brown was PM as most dont really trust him and not because he is a Fifer.
 
Madhatter said:
You mean like this

The managing director of an international company has told the Herald why he punched a 16-year-old hooligan - and why he would be prepared to do it again.

Linda Ram

Dean White says the teenage tearaway and his gang had leapt over a five-foot fence to intimidate and hurl abuse at him, his wife and two daughters on the drive of their Fazeley home.

"I felt my family was in danger," Mr White, the boss of a firm in Coventry, said.

"I don't regret my actions and if similar circumstances arose again, I would do the same thing, because in a situation like that you are under threat."

The 45-year-old then found himself at the centre of a police investigation after officers caught the youth, who then said he wanted to press charges against Mr White.

"I stood up to these morons and yet I was the one being investigated. My teenage daughters were on the drive and also being subjected to very violent behaviour - we were all very frightened."

The nightmare unfolded one night last week when a gang of boys and girls - said to have clearly been drinking - were being rowdy in the street.

As Mr White also had his three-month-old grandson in the house, he and his wife went outside to ask them to move along.

But they were met with a volley of abuse, foul language and threatening behaviour.

Five of the gang scaled the fence which protects the family home and jumped onto their drive.

"It was five on one. They had backed me up to the front door and one of them was right in my face. He would have hit me, so I punched him.

"I was exercising my right to defend myself, my wife, my children, my grandson and my property.

"I would be gobsmacked if they said there were still charges to answer."

Mr White feels more should be done about antisocial behaviour before things get out of hand.

"Enough is enough!" he added.

"If the council and the police do not clamp down on this sort of unruly behaviour, then it will force vigilantes onto our streets."

The youth later dropped the charges against Mr White, who is now unlikely to be prosecuted.

Police say they will be looking into the problems in the area caused by youths.
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Exactly what I was getting at! I know it's become a cliche now, but the law is weighted in favour of criminals to the detriment of ordinary citizens. And your government have done nothing about it, Graham!
 
Wynonie Harris said:
Exactly what I was getting at! I know it's become a cliche now, but the law is weighted in favour of criminals to the detriment of ordinary citizens. And your government have done nothing about it, Graham!
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Spot on. Now all we need is the spin as to why its this way. That or tell the gov to spin
 
Wynonie Harris said:
So, Graham, what happens if you tackle these "neighbourhood problems"? At best, you get a mouthful of abuse from the scum or at worst, you get a good beating and, in some instances, lose your life. Then, what happens to the prepetrators? They get a ridiculously light prison sentence with of course early release. And what have your government done in the last nine years to remedy this situation? Despite tough talking from successive home secretaries (including the latest incumbent, John Reid), zilch!

So, instead of coming on here, lecturing us about what we're not doing, why don't you tell your government to adopt a sensible law and order policy - ie, murderers locked up for the rest of their lives and other violent thugs and indeed criminals in general locked up for much longer periods in extremely spartan conditions. Or does that offend your liberal sensibilities?
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Ahh.... another Labour hater!

I can't take anything you say as serious LOL - Are you recomending that no-one should go out and pick litter from their street for fear of being murdered?

ASB is down around 90% in Peel. Labour investment has made a big difference in reducing all crime dramatically in this area. The streets are now safe at night. Our target this year is a 15% reduction on top of all previous reductions.

There is no-one around here (even Tories) that doesn't agree with the above statement. We have two Police/PS officers, soon to be 4. (6 if you vote Labour locally next time). We had NONE under the Tories.
 
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g jones said:
such as picking up litter on the street, to going out and tackling other neighbourhood problems.
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No, I'm not suggesting that people will get murdered for picking up litter on their streets. But after mentioning the litter problem, you then went on to talk about "other neighbourhood problems" by which I assume you mean vandalism, yobbishness and violence. People have been assaulted and even killed for attempting to tackle neighbourhood problems like these.

I can't comment on the situation on Accrington as I don't live there anymore. You say that there is no one who doesn't agree with your statement that the streets are safe at night. I'd be interested to hear what other local residents have to say about that. I do know that the problem is rampant where I live and that the scum who cause it all seem completely fearless.

Incidentally, I like the way you start your post with the phrase "another Labour hater" as if I'm some kind of rare species. Do you realise just how much people (including Labour voters) despise this present Labour government? Obviously not.
 
Wynonie Harris said:
No, I'm not suggesting that people will get murdered for picking up litter on their streets. But after mentioning the litter problem, you then went on to talk about "other neighbourhood problems" by which I assume you mean vandalism, yobbishness and violence. People have been assaulted and even killed for attempting to tackle neighbourhood problems like these.

I can't comment on the situation on Accrington as I don't live there anymore. You say that there is no one who doesn't agree with your statement that the streets are safe at night. I'd be interested to hear what other local residents have to say about that. I do know that the problem is rampant where I live and that the scum who cause it all seem completely fearless.

Incidentally, I like the way you start your post with the phrase "another Labour hater" as if I'm some kind of rare species. Do you realise just how much people (including Labour voters) despise this present Labour government? Obviously not.
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This week it was announced that in Accrington Town Centre, violence since the Licensing Laws came in, is down 49%. The streets of my ward have never been safer (18 years lived here). Lancs Constabulary are at the forefront nationwide of neighbourhood policing mind you, so you might not be benefitting as yet.

Given the problems we had before, it would be a tragedy if Cameron's tax cuts, and policies for the wealthy ended up taking us back to 1997.
 
Well, I'd still like to hear if other locals agree with you that the streets "have never been safer". It's certainly not my experience. Perhaps I should move back to Accy?!!

Agree with your view of the boy David, though.
 
Well the street might be safer now, I think the new licensing laws are helping, but it got SO bad that a lot of people were scared to even go a walk once it got dark, and still are.
I don't care which government it is, we desserve better than any of them are giving us :(
 
Yeah Yeah CYFR.. anyone would agree and sign up for that stuff.. but experience tells that the tories may agree with social justice but when it comes to it they don't even know what it means. a tory goverment always intails cuts in public services, low wages, cheap imports, and a view to look after big business (funny how the big corps that supply tory funds applaud the recent cheap labour from the baltic states)
 
cashman said:
a lot of truth in that, main problem with neighbourhood problems is quite simply - you get involved and they take the p***, swear at you, threaten you
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No, no, Mr C, you've got it all wrong. "The streets are now safe at night." Graham says so! ;)
 
Mancie said:
Yeah Yeah CYFR.. anyone would agree and sign up for that stuff.. but experience tells that the tories may agree with social justice but when it comes to it they don't even know what it means. a tory goverment always intails cuts in public services, low wages, cheap imports, and a view to look after big business (funny how the big corps that supply tory funds applaud the recent cheap labour from the baltic states)
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If I had said the same about Labour 9years ago you would have soon corrected me. Why do you have to assume that the Conservatives are exactly the same as they ever were. Labour take huge funding from big corps too. Cuts in public services? Maybe the NHS has more money in it now, but that means absolutly nothing if you ask nurses on the ground. I've spoke to quite a few, one who has been working in the NHS 50years and she says it has never been worse than current.
 
Cyfr said:
Maybe the NHS has more money in it now, but that means absolutly nothing if you ask nurses on the ground. I've spoke to quite a few, one who has been working in the NHS 50years and she says it has never been worse than current.
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That's because much of the money has been wasted on extra layers of bureacracy, red tape and unworkable new computer systems. My missus works in the NHS and she gets really annoyed about it!
 
The NHS is like any other business nowadays as in the collars know more about the coalface than those that are at it so to speak. The NHS needs to go on a diet and a big one at that to loose a large percentage of that excess fat called bureacracy and the bods that live off the misery it causes.
 
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