Ched Evans
- Thread starter hyndburner
- Start date
That is without any doubt to me D, I was more interested in what independant folk in this said.
While this section of the forum is not one which I frequent....I did go and check out that post.Read post 352 in Stanley section on Impossible Headlines thread, This is something i was completely unaware of, and if correct, puts a different light on this issue to me.
I am sceptical of this evidence. Had it been true, surely the defence barristers would have made much of it.
The fact is, he was found guilty of a serious offence and has to accept that it would affect his playing career.
If, on appeal, the conviction is quashed then it would be a different matter.
I think his name is always going to be followed by the tag 'rapist'....and which football club wants to risk their sponsors support by letting him play?
Perhaps it was inadmissible as it could not be proved that these postings were made by the claimant.
It is not unknown for sad people to post such stuff claiming to be someone else.
It is not unknown for sad people to post such stuff claiming to be someone else.
Being "found guilty" doesn't always mean that someone is guilty:
"I Didn?t Know What the Sky Looked Like Anymore": Ricky Jackson Exonerated After 39 Years in Jail | Democracy Now!
And, I have to admit that I'm surprised any club would even give him the time of day. Football is more a business than a sport, and clubs are supposed to be run by businessmen. So, why would any owner contemplate what would be a disastrous business move.
And if he is exonerated, his life and career are still ruined ... and it will be a step backwards for all those women who are real victims of those men who don't understand the difference between "consent" and "'No' means 'buy her another beer''.
I appreciate that Eric......but that is the legal system.......and we have to accept that he was judged by his peers to be guilty.
I think he has done his case no good by trying to blacken the claimants name.
He could have said nothing about her.....but methinks he doth protest too much.......and he has his rich girlfriends family behind him to argue/support his case.
Yes, he has ruined his life and his career by thinking with what was in his trousers......and maybe a lot of men do that and get away with it.
I cannot see why the claimant would go through the proceedings knowing that her personal life would be under minute scrutiny, unless she truly did not consent.
If someone is too drunk to consent then the sexual act is rape....because the woman cannot give consent.
No means NO........and yes, you are right. If it proves that the girl lied then it means that women who are subjected to such attacks have their cases seen through very cynical eyes.
No amount of money would compensate me for being violated.
I think he has done his case no good by trying to blacken the claimants name.
He could have said nothing about her.....but methinks he doth protest too much.......and he has his rich girlfriends family behind him to argue/support his case.
Yes, he has ruined his life and his career by thinking with what was in his trousers......and maybe a lot of men do that and get away with it.
I cannot see why the claimant would go through the proceedings knowing that her personal life would be under minute scrutiny, unless she truly did not consent.
If someone is too drunk to consent then the sexual act is rape....because the woman cannot give consent.
No means NO........and yes, you are right. If it proves that the girl lied then it means that women who are subjected to such attacks have their cases seen through very cynical eyes.
No amount of money would compensate me for being violated.
Read post 352 in Stanley section on Impossible Headlines thread, This is something i was completely unaware of, and if correct, puts a different light on this issue to me.
As I said in the opening post, if his appeal is successful, it puts a whole different complexion on the matter. And the complainant may have some serious questions to answer.
Until then, he's guilty in the eyes of the law and should keep his head down.
As i said "If Correct" yer last line i agree 100%.
A decent man would not have taken advantage of a young woman who was intoxicated.
Footballers (like it or not), are role models to many young people.
A man who behaves as he did, should not be in a position of power and influence. He did the crime, he was aware of his position.
Yes she was daft to get drunk enough to render her unable to make decent decisions, but what she did was just that, daft. What HE did, was unforgivable, cruel, indecent and vicious.
If he is allowed to return to a position where he is admired and influential, it is a bad day for civilisation and a worse day for feminism.
Footballers (like it or not), are role models to many young people.
A man who behaves as he did, should not be in a position of power and influence. He did the crime, he was aware of his position.
Yes she was daft to get drunk enough to render her unable to make decent decisions, but what she did was just that, daft. What HE did, was unforgivable, cruel, indecent and vicious.
If he is allowed to return to a position where he is admired and influential, it is a bad day for civilisation and a worse day for feminism.
I've looked at this fella's case and after looking at the evidence etc I conclude he's a perverted mucker but i don't think he a 'rapist' (by definition).
If the woman did not give consent, then he raped her....that, by definition makes him a rapist.
Drunk sex isn't rape (well I hope it's not),of course having sex with an unconscious woman 'is rape', but I can't find any evidence that suggests she was 'unconscious'.
I may be wrong but, I think this is a case of a girl who went out trying to get herself a footballer (social trophy) so she could brag to friends etc but when she woke in the morning allegedly without recollection of the nights events felt low and used and reported it to the police.
Imo, it's more to do with third wave feminism expanding the definition of rape to include whatever they want so as to catch more folk.
The links below are just a couple from what changed my view on this case.
Ched Evans: Sorry, but all rapes are not the same - Telegraph
What Ched Evans did was ugly and sleazy. But what the lynch mob are doing is barbaric - Breitbart
It isn't rape if it was consensual......But the woman said she was too drunk to remember what happened......so there has to be doubt that she consented or the trial would not have gone ahead.
One of the articles that you have linked to your post says that a porter heard no sounds of distress.......well, to be distressed you have to be aware of what is happening......and even the article concludes that it could have been rape.
As for the comment about those who are interested in football, it isn't all about football. But it is about how someone on the public eye thinks they can treat women
As for the comment about those who are interested in football, it isn't all about football. But it is about how someone on the public eye thinks they can treat women
In sentencing Evans, the judge said: "CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend. As the jury have found, she was in no condition to have sexual intercourse" BBC News Online
Evans's victim is still experiencing repeated harassment is a direct result of Evans's protestations of innocence fuelled and funded by his mates and gf's family.
There may well yet be a case heard in court regarding that harrasment and hounding.
Evans's victim is still experiencing repeated harassment is a direct result of Evans's protestations of innocence fuelled and funded by his mates and gf's family.
There may well yet be a case heard in court regarding that harrasment and hounding.
Has agreed terms with Oldham Athletic apparently - then again they've shown their lack of morals in the past when they had Lee Hughes on their books, wouldn't be happy if I was a Latics fan (& there was I thinking I was embarrassed by the whole Stanley selling tickets for a game that never happened thing)
She can't remember what she did so she can't remember if she said no. She also can't remember what her actions were. Without painting a picture it could be very easy for the man to think everything was ok depend on what was actually going on between them.
warning may contain words some viewers may find offensive
Key and Undisputed Facts
He has a messed up idea of what constitutes a good night out in Rhyl......sordid/perverse? definitely...rape? possibly but I suppose it comes down to your definition of the word "rape"....
.....Its more a tale of our modern broken Britain
....but is ched a "rapist" ?.......hmmm.
I know one thing for sure (if true) the noises/voices that were allegedly reported coming from that room were not the noises/voices of a women being raped.
Key and Undisputed Facts
He has a messed up idea of what constitutes a good night out in Rhyl......sordid/perverse? definitely...rape? possibly but I suppose it comes down to your definition of the word "rape"....
.....Its more a tale of our modern broken Britain
....but is ched a "rapist" ?.......hmmm.I know one thing for sure (if true) the noises/voices that were allegedly reported coming from that room were not the noises/voices of a women being raped.