Ched Evans

[Margaret Pilkington]

She can't remember what she did so she can't remember if she said no. She also can't remember what her actions were. Without painting a picture it could be very easy for the man to think everything was ok depend on what was actually going on between them.

Ched Evans thought with the thing that is tucked in his underpants....and that bit of a man's brain is never to be relied upon when making decisions.

There must have been doubt about the consensuality of the act or it would not have gone to court.

A footballer takes advantage of a drunken girl then contacts a mate to come and get a bit of the action.......that is not a moral or ethical thing to do....but he did it....he thought he could get away with it...that it would have no consequences.
His girlfriends father has said he will make up any financial shortfall that is left by sponsors taking their money away from Oldham Athletic...and he will pay ched Evans wages.
That is not something my father would have done for a chap like this...he would have been chasing him with a big knife to remove his gonads.

What a very unsavoury situation.

 

[Gordon Booth]

In sentencing Evans, the judge said: "CCTV footage shows, in my view, the extent of her intoxication when she stumbled into your friend. As the jury have found, she was in no condition to have sexual intercourse" BBC News Online

So how come one man was guilty of rape, the other wasn't?

When you read the court proceedings, the evidence given, you are left wondering how the jury reached these two different decisions and was the guilty one wrong. Poor defence, poor summing up by the judge? PC correct police action?
Obviously others are not happy about the guilty verdict as the CCRC are fast tracking their investigation into whether this was a miscarriage of justice.

None of the parties involved come out of this as anything but unsavoury and the mob attacks on the internet from both sides are disgraceful.

It's just coming on that Oldham will sign him.

Overall, it might have been better if all involved had waited for the CCRC investigation to be concluded.

 

[DtheP47]

A decent man would not have taken advantage of a young woman who was intoxicated.

If he is allowed to return to a position where he is admired and influential, it is a bad day for civilisation and a worse day for feminism.

His girlfriends father has said he will make up any financial shortfall that is left by sponsors taking their money away from Oldham Athletic...and he will pay ched Evans wages.

That is not something my father would have done for a chap like this...he would have been chasing him with a big knife to remove his gonads.
What a very unsavoury situation.

None of the parties involved come out of this as anything but unsavoury and the mob attacks on the internet from both sides are disgraceful.

It's just coming on that Oldham will sign him.
.

He will have to develop a thicker carapace than the one he has already when the opposing fans set about him when he runs out on the pitch wherever he plays.

 

[Neil]

Ched Evans thought with the thing that is tucked in his underpants....and that bit of a man's brain is never to be relied upon when making decisions.

There must have been doubt about the consensuality of the act or it would not have gone to court.

A footballer takes advantage of a drunken girl then contacts a mate to come and get a bit of the action.......that is not a moral or ethical thing to do....but he did it....he thought he could get away with it...that it would have no consequences.
His girlfriends father has said he will make up any financial shortfall that is left by sponsors taking their money away from Oldham Athletic...and he will pay ched Evans wages.
That is not something my father would have done for a chap like this...he would have been chasing him with a big knife to remove his gonads.

What a very unsavoury situation.

Was she drunk? If that account is true she didn't have a lot to drink

 

[Neil]

So how come one man was guilty of rape, the other wasn't?

That's what doesn't make much sense in this case. If she was to drunk to consent to the second man why wasn't she for the first?

 

[Accyexplorer]

There's nothing "decent" about this fella or what he has done but (imo) he's no "rapist". What this case has done is set a precedent that women aren't responsible for the repercussions of their actions or decisions if they're intoxicated by alcohol and that makes drunken sex "rape".
No longer are we equal befote the law,If I get drunk and beat someones head in, I am guilty of assault........and being drunk would be no defence in court....just saying.

 

[Barrie Yates]

That's what doesn't make much sense in this case. If she was to drunk to consent to the second man why wasn't she for the first?

Perhaps she had another couple of drinks between rounds 1 and 2? There are a few questions that do not seem to have been answered with any clarity if at all.
If it was his mates room why did his mate leave the hotel? - not sure if it was Travelodge or Premier Inn.
Was Evans also staying there? - assuming that his mate was actually staying there and had not taken a short time let
His mate picked her up on the street and apparently she was drunk then - was she trophy hunting or just that way inclined, or whatever?
Quite possible that, once the CCR/appeal is concluded (Supposedly being fast tracked?) and providing he loses, she will be seeking damages/compensation.
Of course there are also the points raised in earlier posts.
There just seems to be so many loose ends, both evidential and procedural, no doubt that will all be resolved at some stage - but the law applies to all and therefore the consequences should also apply to all, including the right to seek his/her chosen employment.

 

[Margaret Pilkington]

He is entitled to seek gainful employment, but he should not be in the public eye.
I will not post again to this thread as I think all that can be said has been said.

 

[Neil]

There's nothing "decent" about this fella or what he has done but (imo) he's no "rapist". What this case has done is set a precedent that women aren't responsible for the repercussions of their actions or decisions if they're intoxicated by alcohol and that makes drunken sex "rape".
No longer are we equal befote the law,If I get drunk and beat someones head in, I am guilty of assault........and being drunk would be no defence in court....just saying.

What if he was also drunk, would that mean he was unable to consent?

 

[DtheP47]

Sky News web pages saying "Evans - Oldham FC deal off" according to their sources.

 

[Redraine]

I will not post again to this thread as I think all that can be said has been said.

Not so, Margaret. Consider Allison Pearson in today's Telegraph:-

"In the Ched Evans case, the 19-year-old victim did not go to the police to report that she had been raped. She made no complaint whatsoever. She had no memory of being raped. She called the police to report a missing handbag. It was the police who suggested that she might have a case for rape against two well-known footballers.
Why might that have happened? Here’s another response to my Ched Evans’ piece. This is Deborah speaking:
“Dear Allison, Having recently sat as a juror on a rape case in which the defendant was acquitted, and having subsequently taken quite an interest in the subject, it strikes me that the motives of both the police and the CPS in bringing rape cases to court is often highly questionable. One really does wonder if both organisations are under some pressure to reach annual conviction targets – especially since the 2003 re-definition of what constitutes rape."

 

[accyman]

Sky News web pages saying "Evans - Oldham FC deal off" according to their sources.

yes they withdrew the offer because board members and workers at the club recieved death threats towards their families and themselves if they went ahead and employed the footballer

feelings aside on what the rights and wrongs are id much prefer to leave the "do as we want or we will kill you " to the likes of isis and other terrorists

i hope the people who made the threats of death or harm towards employees chidren and familes are arrested and charged accordingly

 

[Neil]

I do hope the Police will be tracking down all those who made death threats

 

[hyndburner]

In the Ched Evans case, the 19-year-old victim did not go to the police to report that she had been raped. She made no complaint whatsoever. She had no memory of being raped. She called the police to report a missing handbag. It was the police who suggested that she might have a case for rape against two well-known footballers.

Was that brought up at the trial, when presumably the victim was answering questions under oath? If not, why not? And if it WAS mentioned, why was he convicted?

Is it going to be brought up at the appeal? If so, the conviction may be quashed.

And THEN, Ched Evans can play football again.

 

[Lucysgirl]

Circa 2006 Parliament debated the subject of rape and came to the conclusion that a drunken female cannot consent to sexual intercourse.

circa 2010-2012 politicians decided that not enough rape cases and also female assaults on males were being brought before the courts.

I'm presuming that the above is one reason why the footballers were brought before the court. Apparently there's usually one person's word against another and thus a conviction is difficult.

I'm surprised Ched Evans issued his recent public apology and asked his supporters not to hound the girl who was involved in the case because their solicitors usually advise both Plaintiffs and Defendants not to speak about the issue whilst legal actions are being pursued.

I think all three people involved in the case have nothing to be proud of and I certainly won't be booking a room in any Premier Inn. Especially now I know that over several years that that chain have had, over several years, desk clerks turning a blind eye to sordid goings on.

 

[accyman]

Circa 2006 Parliament debated the subject of rape and came to the conclusion that a drunken female cannot consent to sexual intercourse.

wow

after 2 pints you are legally too drunk to drive so by Parliaments thinking we should be brethalizing women before we have sex with them

your supposed to wear the bag not get the woman to blow in it

 

[Neil]

wow

after 2 pints you are legally too drunk to drive so by Parliaments thinking we should be brethalizing women before we have sex with them

your supposed to wear the bag not get the woman to blow in it

Haha thats the end of your sex life fella

 

[accyman]

Haha thats the end of your sex life fella

lol

also by buying a woman a lager you are conspiring to commit rape by parliaments logic

where as buying a woman a hoover for xmas is conspiring never to get laid again ( even if its a dyson )

 

[Gordon Booth]

It's getting to the point where men are going to have to carry a pen and a couple of unsigned consent forms with them!

A couple? Well, it could be their lucky night!

 

[MargaretR]

The erroneous notion that a woman is worth less than a man has only been declared false during my lifetime.
In the past wives were the husband's property and were expected to submit to a man's 'conjugal rights' to intercourse whether she wanted it or not. In the 1990s marital rape was at last regarded as a criminal offence in this country
Also, equal pay for equal work is an innovation still struggling to be acknowledged.
There is still a glass ceiling in some occupations.

It takes time for a culture to fully acknowledge that previous behaviour is no longer regarded as acceptable. Rape is an expression of power and control over a human being who the rapist regards as 'usable', and the rapist wishes to demonstrate superiority.

Too many men, of all ages, still cling to the notion that men are more worthy/valuable to society and use that false notion to justify the mistreatment of women.

That is why some men are condemning this man's action and some are condoning (finding excuses) for it.

Only when society fully accepts women as equal to men will rape be performed only by criminal psychopaths.