Child Exploitation
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Religion isn't evil but men can be
Religion is man made. So it becomes a question not dissimilar to that of the Chicken and the Egg 
But i certainly get your point.
But i certainly get your point.
Some will say gangs of men grooming and raping young girls is not a race issue, some will say it IS a race issue. However, it is certainly a culture related issue or, more specifically, one stemming from a clash of cultures.
This is an issue where the strict mores of one religion and culture have set in motion the environment in which this can occur. It is a clash of religion and ethics. Because one religion is different, it does not give the members of the stricter religion the right to abuse young women who are culturally different from them. Nor can being a member of this community offer them a shelter in which to enjoy the silence and therefore protection of their own community.
Men who lure young girls to be exploited by older "uncles" are organised criminals and a problem which the larger community does need to address. Are only a handful of men partaking in the spoils of this? Should they not be held accountable for this behaviour by their own leaders and indeed their own community? As Margaret said in an earlier post "i won't hold my breath".
This is an issue where the strict mores of one religion and culture have set in motion the environment in which this can occur. It is a clash of religion and ethics. Because one religion is different, it does not give the members of the stricter religion the right to abuse young women who are culturally different from them. Nor can being a member of this community offer them a shelter in which to enjoy the silence and therefore protection of their own community.
Men who lure young girls to be exploited by older "uncles" are organised criminals and a problem which the larger community does need to address. Are only a handful of men partaking in the spoils of this? Should they not be held accountable for this behaviour by their own leaders and indeed their own community? As Margaret said in an earlier post "i won't hold my breath".
Don't see how any of this is to do with religion or race because I don't know of any religion/race that condons child sex abuse.. these monsters are opportunists who became organised...young white girls just happened to be easier targets than young asian girls in their own community... bottom line is they would not have got away with it for two minutes in their own community.
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thats quite interesting because the childrens home round the corner on whalley road was run/owned by asians and they used to park next to carols off licence shop .the police were called once and they never turned up
does this childrens home still exist if it does i think it should be investigated.
mancie-- They do not speak of it in that context that is why.
Read this book God Is Not Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia have the filth explained to you in a more-- up to date language
I actually had to put this book down for a while. It disturbs me how disgusting it all is
Read this book God Is Not Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia have the filth explained to you in a more-- up to date language
I actually had to put this book down for a while. It disturbs me how disgusting it all is
Mate I'm not hooked on relgion but can't be arsed reading what Hitchens thinks about it.
It IS racist, it was one race of men, abusing girls of another race...mainly because they see those girls as being less than human...of no account......it is also a culture based crime. Religion only comes into it because these men cannot do their evil stuff to girls of their own race/culture/creed or they would be severely dealt with (and the girls probably would be murdered too).
As you say it would not have been tolerated in their own community...and had these been white men, abusing muslim girls, what then, do you think would have been the outcome?
These men preyed on vulnerable girls...making the girls think that someone cared about them.(for a while anyway) The 59 year old (who isn't named) even tried to justify his acts by saying that society had let these girls down long before he ever met them.....like that is a good excuse.
The CPS did let the girls down by not prosecuting when the issues were first raised in 2008.
As you say it would not have been tolerated in their own community...and had these been white men, abusing muslim girls, what then, do you think would have been the outcome?
These men preyed on vulnerable girls...making the girls think that someone cared about them.(for a while anyway) The 59 year old (who isn't named) even tried to justify his acts by saying that society had let these girls down long before he ever met them.....like that is a good excuse.
The CPS did let the girls down by not prosecuting when the issues were first raised in 2008.
Right on all counts Margaret and why that 59 year old has kept is immunity is mind blowing to say the least, no doubt his name will be aired on twitter or facebook, they can run but they can't hide
John this 59 year old may be the subject of another enquiry, and publishing his name would prejudice any subsequent trial that he may be involved in.
Um well I've read a report this morning that the police are looking for at least another 40 men who may have been involved with this gang, so you could be right
I would imagine hat there are a lot of men of ethnic origin, getting a bit worried right now.
I fervently hope that when these monsters find themselves on the inside of prison, they will be as frightened as they made the girls they abused. But I suppose they will be segregated for their own safety......it doesn't stop someone from putting bacon fat in their food.
I fervently hope that when these monsters find themselves on the inside of prison, they will be as frightened as they made the girls they abused. But I suppose they will be segregated for their own safety......it doesn't stop someone from putting bacon fat in their food.
This topic jogged my memory, reminding me of some of the issues covered in the thread: "Does anyone know which taxi firm this pervert worked for?" Wrighty made similar comments but was given a hard time of it by several members.
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No doubt there are religious freaks in the US, and their connections to White Supremacists and American Nazis are troubling. But America is a complicated country. My immediate neighbours to the south, those living in northern New York State, are just like us (I'm seeing that as a good thing
) There are, however, places where it seems as if you have gone into another dimension, where being a nutbar is normal.
But there are significant differences between the Christian US and the Islamic world. There is the US constitution, especially the Bill of Rights and subsequent ammendments, which guarantees the freedom of religion, but it also keeps religion out of schools. You can burn the Bible is you wish, and the Koran, and even the American Flag (First Ammendment) ... a little tasteless and childish, but quite legal. Many folks who post on here are in favour of American style "justice" ... what they mean, I think, is the US prison system. The law in the US actually bends over backwards to protect the rights of someone who is arrested. It starts with Miranda ... and continues with one's right to "lawyer up" ... a right which we don't quite have in Canada. And the US rules about what can be admitted as evidence are very rigorous.It is true, however, that the US also attempts to impose its culture on the rest of the world, but the main thrust comes not from the US government, but from US business and, of course, Hollywood. It's all about making money. And the US does seem to want to impose its political and economic ideas on the rest of the world. But ... Americans don't emigrate. They invade. They defeat the local conventional forces. Then the people get together and wage a guerilla war. The Americans get their asses kicked, claim victory, and take off back to the US. Hollywood then makes a bunch of third- or fourth-rate movies ("Rambo"
) proving that they actually won.Islam is far more dangerous than the US. The yanks actually do want to make things better, they just don't know how to go about it. Islam and its very powerful extremist elements want to impose their way of life wherever they go. And boy, do they ever spread themselves across the world. They leave their bs countries .... why work to improve a place, when there are already developed countries willing to take them in, and give them everything they want? And what do they contribute to these countries: bombs and bs. As a culture (and Islam is as much a culture as it is a religion) what has Islam added to Britain? Insulting British war dead? Blowing up subways and buses? Taking advantage of the welfare system? And now, exploiting vulnerable children?
Remember what Prime Minister Rudd said? Just replace all occurences of "Australia" with "Great Britain" (or "Canada"), and it stands as a road map for how the Western Democracies should deal with this most pressing problem.
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I received this interesting e-mail recently, maybe our government should read and inwardly digest!
The Netherlands , where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is
scrapping multiculturalism:
The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands .
A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16 2011, reads:
"The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.
In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role.
With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.
The letter continues:
"A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands ...
The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.
The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner;
"It is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." (HOW TRUE).
The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress.
More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering, Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.
Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realised - maybe too late - that creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.
UK future may well be read here.
READERS NOTE:
Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest "CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE."
Countries like Holland and UK have an established way of life that actually works, so why embrace the unworkable?
If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple; "STAY WHERE YOU ARE!!"
This gives a whole new meaning to the term; 'Dutch Courage' - Unfortunately UK politicians don't have the ...GUTS to do the same.
There's a whole lot of truth here!!!!
ELECTION 2015 IS COMING
A Nation of Sheep, Breeds a Government of Wolves!
I'M 100% for PASSING THIS ON!!!
Let's Take a Stand!!!
CLEGG Gone!
Borders: Closed!
Language: English!
Law:Obey UK Law
Culture: UK Constitution, is the Bill of Rights!
Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!
NO freebies to: Non-Citizens!
We the people are coming!!!
Only 86% will send this on. Should be a 100%. What will you do?
The Netherlands , where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is
scrapping multiculturalism:
The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands .
A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16 2011, reads:
"The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.
In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role.
With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.
The letter continues:
"A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands ...
The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.
The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner;
"It is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." (HOW TRUE).
The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress.
More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering, Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.
Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realised - maybe too late - that creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.
UK future may well be read here.
READERS NOTE:
Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest "CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE."
Countries like Holland and UK have an established way of life that actually works, so why embrace the unworkable?
If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple; "STAY WHERE YOU ARE!!"
This gives a whole new meaning to the term; 'Dutch Courage' - Unfortunately UK politicians don't have the ...GUTS to do the same.
There's a whole lot of truth here!!!!
ELECTION 2015 IS COMING
A Nation of Sheep, Breeds a Government of Wolves!
I'M 100% for PASSING THIS ON!!!
Let's Take a Stand!!!
CLEGG Gone!
Borders: Closed!
Language: English!
Law:Obey UK Law
Culture: UK Constitution, is the Bill of Rights!
Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!
NO freebies to: Non-Citizens!
We the people are coming!!!
Only 86% will send this on. Should be a 100%. What will you do?
Here we go ... the problem is not the exploitation of the children ... well, well, well. According to the Muslim Council of Britain, "This is dangerous for communtiy relations"
It's not a crime commited by members of the muslim community; it's a public relations problem. So, scores of muslim men, rape and abuse white children, and what we have to worry about is the effect this will have on the muslim community. Well I'm sure the young women who were exploited and abused are devastated to hear this, as are the folks in Rochdale and area. And the exploitation we have to fear is not that of children, it is that by the BNP, the EDL, and the UKIP. I'm relieved that's sorted.
Muslim leaders warn of far right exploitation of Rochdale child sex case | UK news | The Guardian
It's not a crime commited by members of the muslim community; it's a public relations problem. So, scores of muslim men, rape and abuse white children, and what we have to worry about is the effect this will have on the muslim community. Well I'm sure the young women who were exploited and abused are devastated to hear this, as are the folks in Rochdale and area. And the exploitation we have to fear is not that of children, it is that by the BNP, the EDL, and the UKIP. I'm relieved that's sorted. Muslim leaders warn of far right exploitation of Rochdale child sex case | UK news | The Guardian
If there is a social/culture link with this sort of crime then it is a culture similar to the mafia, you do get the feeling that these men were of a very close knit and to get away with these crimes they must have kept there gobs shut outside their "circle"... was that because of thier religion or thier culture that they got away with it for so long?
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