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Well said Jeff, It would seem that quite a lot of supporters do not watch the games as you and I.
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Tommy, not only do I not watch the same game as you, I don't reckon I even support the same club as you. Because the club I support has by far the smallest gates in the football league and, as the chairman, quite rightly, doesn't spend what he hasn't got, therefore has the smallest budget in the football league. To take such a club into the conference from the unibond and keep them there would be quite a feat in itself, but to take such a club into the promised land of the football league would be nothing short of a miracle. Coley gave us that miracle and whatever individual mistakes he makes in tactics and substitutions (and what manager doesn't?) the fact that he has kept us there for two-and-a-quarter seasons so far proves the worth of the man.
Supposing we took the advice of many on here and replaced him with a new manager? He'd still have the same old problems to contend with - trying to buy league standard players on a non-league budget, offering players £500 a week while other clubs are offering £1000+, attempting to pick up loan signings wherever he can. And would he have the same passion for the club that Coley has?...a passion that came through all too clearly in part two of the TV series. Would he cancel his birthday dinner with the missus, because the team lost a match in the last few minutes?
Just for a little while on Saturday, I had a glimpse of what Stanley could be like. The team playing with skill and flair, the Clayton End buzzing with excitement and the Ultras (and everyone else!) outsinging a "big club's" fans. I want more of that and, despite the outcome of the match, I still think Coley can achieve it for us.
And, yes, I'm sure all you football tacticians will shoot me down in flames, but I don't care, I'm a football romantic with Stanley in my soul...and, you know something? I reckon Coley is, too!
Supposing we took the advice of many on here and replaced him with a new manager? He'd still have the same old problems to contend with - trying to buy league standard players on a non-league budget, offering players £500 a week while other clubs are offering £1000+, attempting to pick up loan signings wherever he can. And would he have the same passion for the club that Coley has?...a passion that came through all too clearly in part two of the TV series. Would he cancel his birthday dinner with the missus, because the team lost a match in the last few minutes?
Just for a little while on Saturday, I had a glimpse of what Stanley could be like. The team playing with skill and flair, the Clayton End buzzing with excitement and the Ultras (and everyone else!) outsinging a "big club's" fans. I want more of that and, despite the outcome of the match, I still think Coley can achieve it for us.
And, yes, I'm sure all you football tacticians will shoot me down in flames, but I don't care, I'm a football romantic with Stanley in my soul...and, you know something? I reckon Coley is, too!
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Tommy, not only do I not watch the same game as you, I don't reckon I even support the same club as you. Because the club I support has by far the smallest gates in the football league and, as the chairman, quite rightly, doesn't spend what he hasn't got, therefore has the smallest budget in the football league. To take such a club into the conference from the unibond and keep them there would be quite a feat in itself, but to take such a club into the promised land of the football league would be nothing short of a miracle. Coley gave us that miracle and whatever individual mistakes he makes in tactics and substitutions (and what manager doesn't?) the fact that he has kept us there for two-and-a-quarter seasons so far proves the worth of the man.
Supposing we took the advice of many on here and replaced him with a new manager? He'd still have the same old problems to contend with - trying to buy league standard players on a non-league budget, offering players £500 a week while other clubs are offering £1000+, attempting to pick up loan signings wherever he can. And would he have the same passion for the club that Coley has?...a passion that came through all too clearly in part two of the TV series. Would he cancel his birthday dinner with the missus, because the team lost a match in the last few minutes?
Just for a little while on Saturday, I had a glimpse of what Stanley could be like. The team playing with skill and flair, the Clayton End buzzing with excitement and the Ultras (and everyone else!) outsinging a "big club's" fans. I want more of that and, despite the outcome of the match, I still think Coley can achieve it for us.
And, yes, I'm sure all you football tacticians will shoot me down in flames, but I don't care, I'm a football romantic with Stanley in my soul...and, you know something? I reckon Coley is, too!
Well said Steve, some supporters obviously do not watch the same game as you & I .....
Tommy, not only do I not watch the same game as you, I don't reckon I even support the same club as you. Because the club I support has by far the smallest gates in the football league and, as the chairman, quite rightly, doesn't spend what he hasn't got, therefore has the smallest budget in the football league. To take such a club into the conference from the unibond and keep them there would be quite a feat in itself, but to take such a club into the promised land of the football league would be nothing short of a miracle. Coley gave us that miracle and whatever individual mistakes he makes in tactics and substitutions (and what manager doesn't?) the fact that he has kept us there for two-and-a-quarter seasons so far proves the worth of the man.
Supposing we took the advice of many on here and replaced him with a new manager? He'd still have the same old problems to contend with - trying to buy league standard players on a non-league budget, offering players £500 a week while other clubs are offering £1000+, attempting to pick up loan signings wherever he can. And would he have the same passion for the club that Coley has?...a passion that came through all too clearly in part two of the TV series. Would he cancel his birthday dinner with the missus, because the team lost a match in the last few minutes?
Just for a little while on Saturday, I had a glimpse of what Stanley could be like. The team playing with skill and flair, the Clayton End buzzing with excitement and the Ultras (and everyone else!) outsinging a "big club's" fans. I want more of that and, despite the outcome of the match, I still think Coley can achieve it for us.
And, yes, I'm sure all you football tacticians will shoot me down in flames, but I don't care, I'm a football romantic with Stanley in my soul...and, you know something? I reckon Coley is, too!
In our pre-match discussions WH, isn't this the truth that we kept arriving at ?..and why some 'Fans' still can not accept this Status Quo is totally beyond me!!.
You could not have spelled it out any clearly than in this commendable posting. Let's just hope that everyone can
eventually see the light...and just get behind The Reds
with all the fervour they can muster !
Alfred.E. Sends his best!!!!
For anyone who doesn't get the Telegraph Bradford defeat was all-time low, says Accrington Stanley boss
1:20pm Monday 13th October 2008
ACCRINGTON Stanley boss John Coleman declared Saturday’s incredible 3-2 home defeat to Bradford as his worst moment in football.
Coleman’s Stanley side looked on course for a deserved 2-0 win against former Premier League opposition at the Fraser Eagle Stadium but capitulated disastrously as they conceded three goals in the last 10 minutes.
It was a result that saw Stanley, who have taken just one point from their last seven league games, slip another place to 19th in League Two - they would be third from bottom without the points deductions handed out to Rotherham, Bournemouth and Luton.
Coleman last week described Stanley’s 3-0 triumph at Bradford in 2007 as the highlight of his managerial career but Saturday’s result was at the opposite end of the spectrum.
“It’s probably the worst I’ve ever felt in football,” said the long-serving Stanley chief.
“I’m totally and utterly gutted. I’ve never felt this low in my life.
“We’ve lost the ability to win and it’s incredibly frustrating.
“You can point to the fact we were unlucky - and we were amazingly unlucky - but we still should have managed to close out the 2-0 lead with 10 minutes to go.
“We played ever so well and I feel for the players.
“I can’t put my finger on it but you can’t play that well for 80 minutes and then capitulate like we did.
“The best team lost. If anyone says different they’re lying.”
Lifting his devastated players could be a challenge after such a dramatic defeat but Coleman says first he must lift himself.
The boss had been all set to celebrate his 46th birthday yesterday but was quickly on the phone to his wife after the match to cancel his plans.
Speaking after Saturday’s match, he said: “The first person I’ve got to pick up is myself because I’m absolutely deflated.
“It’s my birthday tomorrow and my wife’s booked a table for the night. I’ll have to cancel that, I can’t go out, I can’t face that.
“I’ll go straight to bed and get myself up tomorrow and put a positive spin on it.
“But at this moment in time there are no positives.”
Coleman, who a week earlier had expressed his frustration that an inexperienced referee had sent off Robbie Williams for a professional foul at Barnet, was this time annoyed that official Michael Jones failed to show a red card to Bradford defender Graeme Lee when he brought down Rostyn Griffiths.
Griffiths had looked to be surging clear with Stanley leading 2-0 and the verdict of the Chester referee, who took charge of a Premier League game in August, could have been looked upon as a turning point.
Coleman lamented: “Last week we get a man sent off for that. This we they don’t get a man sent off for that.
“Without a doubt that was a turning point. The lad’s going through on goal, so give him a chance to score or send the lad off.
“They will argue that there might have been a covering man back but I think Rostyn’s momentum has taken him clean through on goal no matter what.
“But at the end of the day we shouldn’t need a refereeing decision to help us win a game.
“There were a couple of strange ones - handball leading to the first goal, offside for the third goal and bad defending for the second goal.
“But I certainly won’t be using that as an excuse. We have to defend better than that.
“For 80 minutes we defended magnificently, then for 10 minutes were like Sunday League rank amateur players and we’ve been punished for it.”
Coleman was pleased that a training ground routine worked when Jimmy Ryan opened the scoring from a corner pulled back to the edge of the area.
Ryan was substituted with the scoreline still at 2-0 and was shocked by events after his withdrawal.
He said: “I can’t believe it. It hasn’t really sunk in yet.
“When I came off I thought the game was won. We defended well, so I thought it was a great win.
“Everyone is gutted and down, but there wasn’t much shouting in the dressing room because the lads have done well and worked hard. The gaffer said that.
“For 82 minutes they haven’t troubled us one bit apart from when they hit the crossbar.
"Apart from that we were comfortable and had better chances than them.
"It was just one of those days again.”
think it says it all really, up the stanley
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Coley, you prat.
good post WH!
most of the moaners are newcomers
us old skool are reasonably happy with our lot in life as a Stanley fan.
although Coley could do with a refresher course on the old tactics thingy!
most of the moaners are newcomers
us old skool are reasonably happy with our lot in life as a Stanley fan.
although Coley could do with a refresher course on the old tactics thingy!
WH said
'And, yes, I'm sure all you football tacticians will shoot me down in flames, but I don't care, I'm a football romantic with Stanley in my soul...and, you know something? I reckon Coley is, too!'
I think we're all football romantics, Wyn. You have to be to support Accrington Stanley. If that was all that was needed to keep us winning and in the league we'd all be happy. Unfortunately its not
'And, yes, I'm sure all you football tacticians will shoot me down in flames, but I don't care, I'm a football romantic with Stanley in my soul...and, you know something? I reckon Coley is, too!'
I think we're all football romantics, Wyn. You have to be to support Accrington Stanley. If that was all that was needed to keep us winning and in the league we'd all be happy. Unfortunately its not
coley as been very good the red. im myself see stanley sad day at crap places. north west counties games( if for you on here non league football ) it as been good going up the league but we will go down this year if we play rubbish like last 4 games but jc will be here. untill we get a dubi buyer.
places we will be going to if jc can pull off one more year hereford notts co.
if not afc wimbledon barrow so let get on a play and get on with being stanley fan not borring fan. (sorry for the spelling cant spell well)
places we will be going to if jc can pull off one more year hereford notts co.
if not afc wimbledon barrow so let get on a play and get on with being stanley fan not borring fan. (sorry for the spelling cant spell well)
Grimps !!.....All those true....and as Reamer describes us 'Old-fashioned' Stanley Fans will join me in saying....
It's not how you spell it.....It's what you're saying that counts, and who can resist the 'call to arms' in your posting !
Alfred.E. says 'Keep 'em coming !'
and 'ON STANLEY !.....ON !!'
Edit!.....Sorry Macca !....This lapse only goes to prove that I really am an'old-timer!!'
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Yonmon, I would never call you 'old fashioned' (a term with such derogatory connotations).....................'old bard' maybe....
Me. Though I may be a 'new-comer' to you vets of the pre-62' era, I have seen my fair share of non-league, non-successful football.
Though I don't agree that Coley should be sacked, I do think he needs to seriously grow up and accept when he is wrong. His actions and words after the game were more reminiscent of a tired, petulant toddler than a passionate and loyal football genius.
Furthermore has anyone read the article that mab posted from the LET? It's embarrassing. “The first person I’ve got to pick up is myself because I’m absolutely deflated. “It’s my birthday tomorrow and my wife’s booked a table for the night. I’ll have to cancel that, I can’t go out, I can’t face that."
Passion? That's just being a plank.
Quite right, Reamer...what is also needed is the ability to juggle a pitifully inadequate budget in a way that keeps us in the league. Coley does this admirably. And, as I'm always saying, if Coley is as mediocre a manager as many of his detractors make out, then how come there aren't many more managers doing what he does? How come the managers of the dozens of non-league clubs with 500-1000 gates floating around the Blue Square National and North/South can't do it? How come the managers of Oxford, Cambridge, Kidderminster, York and many other clubs with better support than us can't do it? Because, whatever mistakes he makes, Coley's a real gem of a manager...that's why!
Don't agree, Shakey. I think it shows just how passionate he is about the club. In fact, I can totally empathise with him - I had to take Mrs H out in Manchester for a birthday meal on Saturday night and it was a real effort to keep a smile on my face and a cheery line of chat issuing forth, as I was hurting like hell inside...still, maybe, I, too, am made of wood!
there may be a moral there wyn? you picked yerself up, pasted a smile on yer kisser n got on with things, therein i think is the difference.Don't agree, Shakey. I think it shows just how passionate he is about the club. In fact, I can totally empathise with him - I had to take Mrs H out in Manchester for a birthday meal on Saturday night and it was a real effort to keep a smile on my face and a cheery line of chat issuing forth, as I was hurting like hell inside...still, maybe, I, too, am made of wood!
Wyn, I agree with much of what you say. We know the problems the club has with finances, attendacies and facilities etc. These facts have been well documented on this forum and elswhere. We'll struggle to move on whilst we're always trying keep our head above water. Hey, its taken 40+ years to get back in the league. In the mean time I'm a football supporter and football supporters don't just stand there with buttoned lips. When they see their team losing they tend to shout and holler. If they think the manager's got it wrong, they'll shout and holler at him too. When we lost against
Bradford with 10mins to go, I didn't go home thinking 'well we've got no money or a decent ground and facilities'.....no, I'm thinking '---- we've lost a game we could and should have won'
I've never said that Coley should be replaced, in fact, right now that would probably open another can of worms, but nobody is right all the time, football genius or not. He's done some great things for the club but nobody is that infallible. (If you were to ask him, he's probably embarrassed by the 'football genius' thing anyway)
Macca of the 'old skool' talks of moaners and newcomers. All sounds a bit elitist to me but if moaning is having independant thoughts and expressing them, then I'm a moaner. This is a forum, after all. As for newcomers, I was around in '62, does that absolve me?
Bradford with 10mins to go, I didn't go home thinking 'well we've got no money or a decent ground and facilities'.....no, I'm thinking '---- we've lost a game we could and should have won'
I've never said that Coley should be replaced, in fact, right now that would probably open another can of worms, but nobody is right all the time, football genius or not. He's done some great things for the club but nobody is that infallible. (If you were to ask him, he's probably embarrassed by the 'football genius' thing anyway)
Macca of the 'old skool' talks of moaners and newcomers. All sounds a bit elitist to me but if moaning is having independant thoughts and expressing them, then I'm a moaner. This is a forum, after all. As for newcomers, I was around in '62, does that absolve me?
From an 'Old Bard' Reamer !!.
' I once sat down and ate an Orange ............
Sorry !....I can't find a rhyme for Orange as how I try!!. Some Bard eh ? .....Doh !!!.
You're right of course when you say that our Forum is there as much for Moaners , Gripers, and Character Assassins, as much as it is for Artists, Poets and sensitive souls like Wyn, Cashy, and myself !!.
That's what makes it such a fascinating 'read'.
This thread seems to have come a long way from the Jimmy Ryan substitution though !!...and risks being 'Moderated' if we're not careful!!.
Respect....(Hope you like my new Avatar !).