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its only racial hatred if its offending the muslims infact its pretty much standard procedure to let anything slide as long as its not directed or seen as an insult to muslims.Maybe this is because the majority of faiths when offended dont riot in the streets,blow things up or behead people.Its quite clearly a case of dont upset them because they will kick off so in order to keep them quiet remove freedom of speech and class anything that might upset the litlle darlings as racist.

well thats how i see it anyway
 
Barrie Yates said:
Now is a good time for it Rindy - it is the Hajj, the ritual pilgrimage that all Muslims should undertake at least once in their lives.
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I'll eat my hat if it happens.

I'll eat the flowers off my hat, if any councillor other than Ken, even bothers to comment.
 
Barrie Yates said:
As for it being an anti-war protest as MargaretR seems to suggest - what absolute tripe. Margaret,
Sprechen Sie fließendes Deutsches?
Because if so many of those heroes had not made the ultimate sacrifice and laid down there lives - that is what you would have had to speak. By all means express your opinions and hold your beliefs, but do not insult the intelligence of those who are realistic about the sacrifices made by our fallen.
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I had three uncles who served in the forces in WW2.
I have condemned the poppy burning too, and did actually remark -

"I like to think that I can make a legal protest on whatever topic I feel strongly about. The ones who died, died for that right. It should not be made illegal to offend anyones dignity"
The debate is - was it illegal and if not, should it be.

Cashy described them as 'dickheads' - race, colour, nationality, are no bar to being one - we have plenty home bred.

Garinda remarked that race should not be confused with religion, and rightly so.

Some dickheads burnt the koran - offence to a religion
Some dickheads burnt poppies - offence to a nation

Neither seems to fall under the category of - offence to a race.
(since being white British is just being part of a larger racial group and many of the fallen were of other races)
 
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MargaretR said:
I had three uncles who served in the forces in WW2.
I have condemned the poppy burning too, and did actually remark -

"I like to think that I can make a legal protest on whatever topic I feel strongly about. The ones who died, died for that right. It should not be made illegal to offend anyones dignity"
The debate is - was it illegal and if not, should it be.

Cashy described them as 'dickheads' - race, colour, nationality, are no bar to being one - we have plenty home bred.

Garinda remarked that race should not be confused with religion, and rightly so.

Some dickheads burnt the koran - offence to a religion
Some dickheads burnt poppies - offence to a nation

Neither seems to fall under the category of - offence to a race.
(since being white British is just being part of a larger racial group and many of the fallen were of other races)
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'It has been suggested Britons fighting for the Taleban or radical Islamist preachers could be charged with treason.'
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What are the laws on treason?

Chanting that British soldiers should 'burn in Hell', it might be worth a try.

The charge of treason, though rarely used, it is worth noting that in the last World War, those deemed enemies of the State, were imprisoned.

Can't see any difference now, in what we are told is a war.
 
garinda said:
'It has been suggested Britons fighting for the Taleban or radical Islamist preachers could be charged with treason.'
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | What are the laws on treason?

Chanting that British soldiers should 'burn in Hell', it might be worth a try.

The charge of treason, though rarely used, it is worth noting that in the last World War, those deemed enemies of the State, were imprisoned.

Can't see any difference now, in what we are told is a war.
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If those muslims who were shouting "british troops burn in hell" are British then the crime of Treason is the best discription... and I don't recall any Islamic fanatics staging such protests when British troops were in Bosnia and Kosovo protecting the muslim population.
 
Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.
 
What I can't understand is people have been arrested for allegedly burning copies of the Koran, yet the mob burning poppies and waving banners attacking British troops, let alone giving interview with Sunday newspapers, making more vile and treasonous statements are still walking the streets
 
andrewb said:
Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.
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No Andrew, we have laws, hard fought for, that does allow free speech.

However we also have statutes in place that are there to prevent those who spout hatred, incitement to violence, etc.

Some argue, and do, that freedom of speech should allow anyone to broadcast their beliefs, whatever they are, or however abhorent those views are to the greater majority, for example those who think it's a consensual relationship, when an adult has sex with a child, of which there are groups in the Netherlands and the U.S.

Somethings should not be allowed the privilege of free speech.

Especially when that speech calls for the death, harm, loss of liberty, or hatred of others.
 
andrewb said:
Many people of Muslim faith helped our nation during the two World Wars.

I was incredibly offended when I saw the video calling for our troops to burn in hell. However banning things we dislike is not the way to go, people have the right to protest and speak what they wish.

There is however a time and a place, and that was neither the time nor the place. It should not have been allowed.
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what a load of crap there is NO time and place for that insult to the fallen, we are all aware many muslims also died fighting fer our country, i was also aware only this morning when i was having a fag in the yard, my next door neighbors who happen to be muslim, were watching the remembrance parade on there telly,many muslims are against these fanatics/extremists, only problem is most don't speak out about it, wether peer pressure or in their way protecting their kids i do not know, if you andrew think theres a time n place to burn poppies n chant british soldiers burn in hell, then yer stupider than i perceived. so please tell us when you think this time is?
 
Well, Gary, looks like your headgear and its attendant floral decorations are safe.

With the honourable exception of Ken, not one local councillor has had the guts to come on here and condemn this affront.

I don't think they understand quite how hurt and outraged ordinary people are by the action itself and by the fact that no action is being taken against the perpetrators.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."
 
Wynonie Harris said:
I don't think they understand quite how hurt and outraged ordinary people are by the action itself and by the fact that no action is being taken against the perpetrators.
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They know, Oh yes, they know,

But will they do anything?
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Considering that the majority of politicians at both national and local level are busy pretending it hasn't happened, I would say no.

What a pity more of them can't take his lead...

Labour MP Khalid Mahmood, of Birmingham Perry Bar, said: “It’s just absolute nonsense. These people have no regard or respect for the people who are prepared to give their lives for the country, and if they don’t like it they can hop it and leave. They have these rights to protest that are afforded to them because people have given their lives up for those rights."
 
Wynonie Harris said:
Considering that the majority of politicians at both national and local level are busy pretending it hasn't happened, I would say no.

What a pity more of them can't take his lead...

Labour MP Khalid Mahmood, of Birmingham Perry Bar, said: “It’s just absolute nonsense. These people have no regard or respect for the people who are prepared to give their lives for the country, and if they don’t like it they can hop it and leave. They have these rights to protest that are afforded to them because people have given their lives up for those rights."
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It is all well and good for him to say this......he knows thast they won't leave as many of them are born here.......have been educated here, are claiming benefits here (and would not be able to have the life and comforts they have here anywhere else)......that we the (mugs) taxpayers are funding.
 
Maybe, but at least he's spoken out; that's more than most of his fellow parliamentarians have and, of course, the local politicos on here.
 
Wynonie Harris said:
Well, Gary, looks like your headgear and its attendant floral decorations are safe.

With the honourable exception of Ken, not one local councillor has had the guts to come on here and condemn this affront.

I don't think they understand quite how hurt and outraged ordinary people are by the action itself and by the fact that no action is being taken against the perpetrators.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."
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Looks like you may be right.

I did nibble the odd petal whilst waiting, bored, but it looks life the rest of blooms are safe.

I don't know what came over me.

Having the cheek to demand that those closet to us in the chain of government, offered a little guidance, and leadership, in the hope that the few wouldn't tarnish the whole. Asking for things...it's akin to bullying. I apologise most humbly to our elected representatives.

Then again, perhaps it was just anger because today's Rememberance Sunday, and the day I see my mum annually broken-hearted and in tears, for the father who never got to hold her in his arms as a baby, or even see her. Him being killed a few months before her birth.

Silly me for thinking that politicans should notice that the electorate are sick and fed up of the silence, that follows outrage, after outrage, carrried out in the name of religion, by evil bigots who primary desire is to curtail the freedoms we enjoy, and our country fought for.

I think if anyone had the gumption, and organised a rally, in little over a week after the poppy burning happened, and brought the community together, in an inter, and no faith demonstration, that things like the Rememberance Day Burn in Hell 'protest', was carried out by a few, and not the many, and 'Not in Our Name', a great deal could have been achieved in helping to heal the wounds these scum have caused.

Nevermind.

At least my freakin' hat still has some life left in it.
 

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Wynonie Harris said:
Maybe, but at least he's spoken out; that's more than most of his fellow parliamentarians have and, of course, the local politicos on here.
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He has.

Miraculous!

A politican unafraid of publicly speaking his mind, and showing a little leadership, unafraid that it might cost him the odd vote, or two.

If he stood in Hyndburn, he'd have mine.
 
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