Conservative candidate named.

[garinda]

Perhaps you would bother to find out personal circumstances before ploughing head first and making links into something you know nothing about. Not that it has a place on these forums.

I think I'm best suited to know what happens in my own home, without needing you to pass judgment trying to explain what might of 'actually' happened.

Like everyone else on Accy Web, I arrive at my conclusions, gained from information helpfully supplied by other members, as evidence of whatever circumstances they might like to share with us.



However, back to the thread's subject...

I eagerly await the chance to ask the Conservative candidate, Karen Buckley, a member of a church which apparently thinks homosexuality is something to be, and can be,'cured' by exorcism, whether or not she supported the the repeal of Sextion 28, the most homophobic piece of legislation of the twentieth century, introduced by the Tories in 1988.

I'd also like to know if she supports, and would have voted for the introduction of Civil Partnerships, and would she support further change towards total equality, and that every citizen should have the right to be legally married, in a church if they so wish, irrespective of gender.

I await my questions being answered, face to face, in hopeful anticipation.

 

[garinda]

Perhaps you would bother to find out personal circumstances before ploughing head first and making links into something you know nothing about. Not that it has a place on these forums.

I think I'm best suited to know what happens in my own home, without needing you to pass judgment trying to explain what might of 'actually' happened.

...or as stated earlier, perhaps you were playing out at the time, and no one bothered to tell you when you came home for your bedtime story, thinking it was of no interest, or concern of your's, because of your ineligibility to vote.

 

[Ken Moss]

Very true.

Unfortunately I never got to ask the last Conservative candidate my questions face to face, but had to email poor James Mawdsley, because he never came a knockin'.

You can't beat meeting someone face to face, to help further judge their sincerity.

I'll give this candidate a little longer, before having to settle for finding out answers to my questions, in a less personal way.

Yes, but bear in mind that canvassing 8 weeks before an election is a waste of time and energy.....so I'm told.

 

[garinda]

Yes, but bear in mind that canvassing 8 weeks before an election is a waste of time and energy.....so I'm told.

Perhaps some candidates are planning to speak to us all the night before the election.

So we won't forget who says what.

 

[Eric]

Like everyone else on Accy Web, I arrive at my conclusions, gained from information helpfully supplied by other members, as evidence of whatever circumstances they might like to share with us.



However, back to the thread's subject...

I eagerly await the chance to ask the Conservative candidate, Karen Buckley, a member of a church which apparently thinks homosexuality is something to be, and can be,'cured' by exorcism, whether or not she supported the the repeal of Sextion 28, the most homophobic piece of legislation of the twentieth century, introduced by the Tories in 1988.

I'd also like to know if she supports, and would have voted for the introduction of Civil Partnerships, and would she support further change towards total equality, and that every citizen should have the right to be legally married, in a church if they so wish, irrespective of gender.

I await my questions being answered, face to face, in hopeful anticipation.

Now that you have got the debate back on subject, excuse me if I take it off track again: I am more than a little surprised that, in the United Kingdom, gays do not have the right to be legally married (tho' who would want to, I don't know), and aquire all the legal and financial benefits that other married couples have.

 

[garinda]

Now that you have got the debate back on subject, excuse me if I take it off track again: I am more than a little surprised that, in the United Kingdom, gays do not have the right to be legally married (tho' who would want to, I don't know), and aquire all the legal and financial benefits that other married couples have.

Like yourself, I remain happily unentagled, but that is a choice open to me.

You're correct, same sex partners can't legally marry in the UK.

The government did bring in the Civil Partnership Act, in 2004, which does give many of the same rights that civil union affords, except it can't be called a marriage.

So although a same sex couple might have been happily together for years, and might be both deeply religious, they can't legally be married.

'The Civil Partnership Act states that it will not allow any form of religious activity to occur during the process of registering the union. The act does not include a ceremony.'
Civil Partnership guide for gay and lesbian couples in the UK - CivilPartnershipInfo.co.uk

In an age of supposed equality, this unfair legal anomaly needs addressing.

The choice of what form a relationship officially takes, should be a choice that's available to all, regardless of gender.

I look forward to hearing the thoughts on this matter, of a candidate who is a member of a church which apparently 'cures' homosexuality via exorcisms.

 

[andrewb]

I don't think we should force religions to do things, but I think that anybody should be able to get married in the eyes of the state.

 

[garinda]

If people wish to cement their relationship by marriage, they should be afforded that choice, regardless of anything else.

What religions preach and practice, should be subject to the same laws governing every other body in the country.

Some faiths have their own laws, which can result in executions, maiming, amputations, and stonings, for those guilty of crimes against religion. In a civilised democracy these religious freedoms of expression are rightfully made illegal, by the laws that govern us as a whole.

Another question I'd like to ask Ms. Buckley, when she hopefully calls, is if she'd already been the M.P. for Hyndburn, given a free vote, would she have voted in favour of an equal age of consent? Which after years of injustice, when 21 and 20 year olds in a consensual relationship, were imprisoned because they happpened to be of the same gender, and which thankfully this government has now legislated against, and gender parity now exists in law.

There's so much I can't wait to ask, I'll have to keep a little list by the front door.

Being so keen on 'family values', her thought on repealing Section 28, and how she would have voted on that, might be worth yet another question.

If, and when...

 

[Eric]

I don't think we should force religions to do things, but I think that anybody should be able to get married in the eyes of the state.

I agree. And this is the essence of Canada Bill C-38.

 

[garinda]

I'd like to thank this thread, for making me think of exactly what questions I'm going to ask the Conservative candidate, and hopefully illicit some answers, which I'll kindly share on here, just in case not everyone's so lucky.

It's a good idea to be prepared, given there's so little time left, at least compared to the time I've had to grill and question the other prospective candidates.

 

[shillelagh]

this weeks accy observer has an interesting leaflet inside .. one from Karen Buckley .. though there isnt one in the Rossendale Free Press ..

 

[garinda]

this weeks accy observer has an interesting leaflet inside .. one from Karen Buckley .. though there isnt one in the Rossendale Free Press ..

Well even though Ms. Buckley's appeal thermometer is still sat at zero, some kind body has funded a flyer for her, in every copy of this weekend's Observer.

Sadly, for those wanting more information, it's just a facsimile of what's already on her website.

Great Aunt Fanny worked down t'local jam butty mines, and lots about Family Values, blah, blah, blah...

Must have cost a pretty penny to do though. So things can't be that bad.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=802506

 

[jaysay]

this weeks accy observer has an interesting leaflet inside .. one from Karen Buckley .. though there isnt one in the Rossendale Free Press ..

Rossendale Free Press won't put a leaflet in with only two wards being in the Hyndburn constituency, I know I asked them 10 years ago Jen

 

[garinda]

Rossendale Free Press won't put a leaflet in with only two wards being in the Hyndburn constituency, I know I asked them 10 years ago Jen

They'll do anything you want if you pay them.

Which Ms. Buckley will have done, to have her flyer distributed in the newspaper.

 

[Gayle]

They'll do anything you want if you pay them.

Which Ms. Buckley will have done, to have her flyer distributed in the newspaper.

Not quite. They won't sort it so that the leaflet is only in the papers in the two relevant wards. Yes, you can have a leaflet in and it costs (a lot) but it's all or nothing.

 

[jaysay]

They'll do anything you want if you pay them.

Which Ms. Buckley will have done, to have her flyer distributed in the newspaper.

Its a bit pointless Garinda when your only covering two wards, the cost is inhibiting believe me I've check

 

[jaysay]

Not quite. They won't sort it so that the leaflet is only in the papers in the two relevant wards. Yes, you can have a leaflet in and it costs (a lot) but it's all or nothing.

I should have read your post before replying to Garinda, Gayle

 

[garinda]

Its a bit pointless Garinda when your only covering two wards, the cost is inhibiting believe me I've check

I was referring to Ms. Buckley's flyer, and the fact she'd have paid to have it inserted.

I'm quite aware that it wouldn't be economically viable, even if it was possible, which I doubt, to target particular council wards, rather than a whole constituency.

 

[jaysay]

I was referring to Ms. Buckley's flyer, and the fact she'd have paid to have it inserted.

I'm quite aware that it wouldn't be economically viable, even if it was possible, which I doubt, to target particular council wards, rather than a whole constituency.

Its only applicable to the 2 Haslingden wards Garinda covered by the Free Press, Hyndburn is okay with the Observer, but to be quite honest inserts in papers is a very costly way of comunicacion

 

[garinda]

Its only applicable to the 2 Haslingden wards Garinda covered by the Free Press, Hyndburn is okay with the Observer, but to be quite honest inserts in papers is a very costly way of comunicacion

Er...I was only referring to Ms. Buckley's flyer, and that it would have been done at some cost.

I made no mention of the same thing being done for wards, when it came to council elections.

Personally, even if it was possible, to deliver newspapers with flyers, to each newsagent/shop in a particular ward, it wouldn't reach many of the relevant electorate. Those newagents in a ward, if they deliver, cover areas greater than any one ward. Plus many people pick up a newspaper whilst out shopping in areas outside their ward's boundary.

Therefore, rather a daft, costly idea, in my opinion.