Conserving energy?

The big issue is that we don't actually know its us thats causing a change in the earths climate. We do know that it goes through cycles of hot and cold and is never stable for long(in terms of the overall lifespan of the planet). If it was then we would never have seen the Ice Age or come out of it for that matter.


We do know that over millions of years Earth will be getting hotter and hotter as our sun expands untill it eventually consumes Earth. then at some future point it will collapse inwards to becaome a dwarf star.


I'm not saying that we shouldn't make some efforts as just as we can't prove it is us we can't prove it isn't. However without the Americans, Chinese and Indians joining in the UK is a tiny crumb of a very big cake. Insignificant in all our efforts.
 
I do my bit but agree with Entwisi the climate cycles could be just a bigger factor. Because it scares people whats happening they are looking for an easy answer. Maybe we are helping increase the rate of a natural cycle but that dosnt mean its 100% human guilt.
 
Gayle said:
What they're saying is that the normal cost of the energy bills is x, the cost of the energy bill plus the cost of the windmills is y and y is £13,250 less than x spread over 10 years.
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I'm more confused now Gayle. Where did the 10 years come into it?

Unfortunately we don't know the normal cost of the bills all we do know is the claim that the bills will be cut by £13,250 per year.
The windmills cost £147,000 each.
Three of them will cost £441,000

So, are you working backwards with those figures and a 25 year plan? They would have to reduce the bill by an actual £30,890 per year over 25 years or £57,350 per year over 10 years to make a net saving of £13,250 per year and that's still not taking into account any maintenance costs.
 
20.Electricity consumed totals 960,000 units, at an approximate cost of £50,000. Anyone got a 10p for the meter!

Can you imagine that leccy bill!!!! :D


5.The Blackpool Illuminations will shine non-stop for 66 nights.

They dont stop on all night. They turned them off went through one year with a bloke i was seeing at that time and we went through them once and then coming back as we passed under them they turned them off. That was about 3am.
 
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Could I interrupt here on a related subject? 350 years of unique British tradition and crafts to be consigned to history due to the EU's ban on mercury in barometers. Mind you, they only use 70 lbs of mercury annually, compared to 4 tons placed in 61 million fluorescent tubes used in the U.K.......consumption set to multiply as sales of compact fluorescent lights increase. Insanity.

Eric should get in touch with Billcat. A match made in heaven.

And so the descent into hell continues.
 
bullseyebarb said:
Could I interrupt here on a related subject? 350 years of unique British tradition and crafts to be consigned to history due to the EU's ban on mercury in barometers. Mind you, they only use 70 lbs of mercury annually, compared to 4 tons placed in 61 million fluorescent tubes used in the U.K.......consumption set to multiply as sales of compact fluorescent lights increase. Insanity.

Eric should get in touch with Billcat. A match made in heaven.

And so the descent into hell continues.
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As we descend into hell, it is so touching that you spare me a thought:D
 
WillowTheWhisp said:
I'm more confused now Gayle. Where did the 10 years come into it?

Unfortunately we don't know the normal cost of the bills all we do know is the claim that the bills will be cut by £13,250 per year.
The windmills cost £147,000 each.
Three of them will cost £441,000
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Yes, but they are taking into account the cost of purchasing them offset against the cost of savings and the amount is £13,250 less than the cost of electicity without them.

So actually we do know the cost of electicity over ten years - £573,500 - based on the fact that they reckon they will break even in 10 years time. Anything after that is a bonus.
 
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Eric said:
As we descend into hell, it is so touching that you spare me a thought:D
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Of course, those flourescent lights can be recycled, and Bullseyebarb is into one of her usual one-sided analyses-rants, this time ignoring all the highly beneficial and large reduction in greenhouse gases (not to mention how much less oil we will need to import) that new lighting technology offers!

Karma to Eric!
 
There was a chap from Blackpool on the radio this morning who said that those three windmills are only the first of many which have been proposed.Some they hope to have with illuminations attached and will be powering their own lights as well as feeding surplus into the general system. They are also using a low voltage bulb these days which doesn't use as much electricity. They can't use the energy saver bulbs because they can't be made to flash on and off due to the length of time it takes them to warm up but eventually he said the illuminations would be self sufficient and adding extra back into the system which makes a lot more sense than the idea reported of just three rather expensive windmills which didn't seem to save very much for what they were costing.
 
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