Creationism versus Evolution

Mancie said:
I reckon noah was a martian and there was global warming on mars and all the land was getting flooded, so the martians shipped all the creatures to earth, millions of years ago, then over millions of years mars froze, just like we would do in the next million years, simple!
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So before they popped in for a visit did the Martians evolve or where they created??
 
garinda said:
I take it Adam and Eve must have been Jewish, (did he come ready circumcised???) but when did the God, who created Heaven and Earth and all upon it, find time to create other religions, such as Hinduism, Paganism etc.?
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Now they are two people that I have often puzzled over, mud=Adam, Eve=Rib if that is the case and no uterus (sorry to use that word Gayle I know I have no right to!) was involved,

Why are they always depicted with belly buttons?
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I like the conveniently placed leaves in this picture!:D
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Because the artists didn't have the same analytical brain as you Less.

That Eve looks like a right misery guts doesn't she? It also looks like she's feeding the apple to the snake! That's a variation on the theme.:D
 
Come on creationists, who circumcised Adam, and when did it happen?

Since Adam must have been Jewish, and there wasn't a Rabbi to perform it when he was a boy, who did it? Did Adam then circumcise his sons in accordance with Jewish teachings as seen in the Bible?
 
Maybe Eve did tha deed for him. That would explain why women dont seem to be Rabbi's as Adam was a bit peaved when it happened. If Adam did the deed on his sons where did the blade come from?
 
Did Adam and Eve appear fully fluent in I presume Hebrew, and when did they learn ro read and write?
 
garinda said:
Did Adam and Eve appear fully fluent in I presume Hebrew, and when did they learn ro read and write?
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Never looked at it that way. Reading and writing has always evolved after creation. :confused:

Bother have I given this lot a way out of this argument that satisfies both sides. :eek:
 
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What kind of ever loving, all forgiving, all-powerful wonderful father figure, would condemn his sons and daughters to an eternity in hell which is supposed to be the worst place you could possibly imagine. I would not wish that upon my children no matter what they did. Let them be punished for things they do wrong most certainly, but an ETERNITY IN HELL. I don't think so. Where is this 'turn the other cheek' attitude we all hear so much about? The quality of mercy etc.?
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But he doesn't condemn us to an eternity in Hell. That's what the Atonement is all about. Jesus took upon himself the sins of the world so that those of us who believe in him and accept his sacrifice do not have to suffer eternity in Hell. That is where justice and mercy meet, at the cross on Calvary.

OK, so if you DON'T believe in Him, then you ARE condemned to an eternity in Hell right? God claims to be our father in heaven and it is He who is making the rules.
 
Just because people dont go to church chaple temple mosque etc does not make them non believers. If not going to these places to comune with him was a mortal sin that sent you to Hell for eternity then my card is punched already.People see it their own way and were some are happy in a holy building then thats fine as it is for those who prefer to keep it a more private affair which could be construde as turning the other cheek to not attending as they are still believers.
The rules can be bent within reason and your soul shouldnt suffer for it as you are believing in the way best suited to yourself. J's sacrifice was the ultimate act of selflessness in so much as others could live and learn. I contentend that even non believers must have considered the question prior to non believing and can be saved if they believe on the deathbed so to speak. Hell can be seen or believed to be the ultimate deterrent to us all regardless of religion and all have their own version of damnation.
Its what you believe in your heart that matters not what others think you may or maynot believe. As we evolve and spread then are beliefs do the same and we are better for it. Ok some will take it to the extreme but then they are in the minority and will always stay the same. Enlightenment is what can make us or break us in the eyes f G. If the rules were kept ridged we would stagnate thus negating what G might want for us. All creations evolve regardless and all we hold dear follows the same track.
 
I will believe in God the Father the moment after he comes aknocking on my door and says,
"Less I know I have been ignoring you but you are like a son to me and I really believe in you".
So come on God, faith and trust work both ways, remove the suffering of my extended family around the world and you might just be on to a winning campaign.
 

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garinda said:
Come on creationists, who circumcised Adam, and when did it happen?

Since Adam must have been Jewish, and there wasn't a Rabbi to perform it when he was a boy, who did it? Did Adam then circumcise his sons in accordance with Jewish teachings as seen in the Bible?
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Actually, I thought that the circumcision thing started when the jews were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt looking for the promised land. Wasn't the sand getting into places it wasn't really wanted and all that? Well, this is what I was told by a Jewish boy with whom I went to school.
 
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JohnW said:
Actually, I thought that the circumcision thing started when the jews were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt looking for the promised land. Wasn't the sand getting into places it wasn't really wanted and all that? Well, this is what I was told by a Jewish boy with whom I went to school.
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then shouldnt jewish people in theory only be circumstised if they plan on a life in the desert or maybe a career as a life guard and not part of their religeous beleifs :)
 
Well, if you say so old chav. Maybe once they started the circumcision in the desert they just found that it made things cleaner down there anyway so decided to make it part and parcel of the faith. Who knows? Not really my favourite subject, in truth.
 
well it would take a lot more than a little sand to make me put a knife to the fellow :)
 
There's a song in "Fiddler on the Roof" called Tradition. That's what it's all about. Circumcision and the dietary laws all came about for health reasons. You don't eat pork or shellfish because one day in the desert and they're not fit to eat; you have separate dishes and pans for meat and milk - makes sense when you think of bacteria; you circumcise males - hygiene. Muslim tradition follows very similar lines to Jewish and both originated in the same place.
 
West Ender said:
There's a song in "Fiddler on the Roof" called Tradition. That's what it's all about. Circumcision and the dietary laws all came about for health reasons. You don't eat pork or shellfish because one day in the desert and they're not fit to eat; you have separate dishes and pans for meat and milk - makes sense when you think of bacteria; you circumcise males - hygiene. Muslim tradition follows very similar lines to Jewish and both originated in the same place.
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...sorry to hark on about it but if God created man in his own image, this perfect man, at least he was before the fall from grace, why didn't he think to make Adam already circumcised?

....and were Adam and Eve created already able to speak Hebrew?
 
Ah, but was Adam a Jew? As there wasn't anyone else around then surely there was nobody to differentiate from so Adam wouldn't be an anything, would he? As the Garden of Eden was a place of perfection it must have had a temperate climate and no irritating sand etc., plus nobody to pass nasty diseases on to (nobody to catch them from, come to think of it) so why bother? Is God Jewish?

Why am I arguing? I'm an evolutionist. ;)
 
West Ender said:
Is God Jewish?
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Since God created Adam, who begat Cain, and so on and so forth throughout the rest of the old Testemant until Moses, he must be.

There are some truly weird sites if you search for Adam and Eve, most of them American.;)
 
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