To be honest its Ken Moss thats grabbed the headline NOT P.B. probably a headline he neither envisaged or wanted, but thats life, theres clowns in every circus.
And not ALL the clowns are in the circus either Cashy.
Crematorium
- Thread starter mab
- Start date
And not ALL the clowns are in the circus either Cashy.
Jesus,I see this topic has made a few folk pretty cross....
....jacket please
....jacket please
Some have used this topic to get at the Muslims , but as has been pointed out on the thread Muslims are forbidden to have cremations , so they won't be at the crematorium .
The last two funerals I attended at the crematorium were of two friends who were Jehovah's Witnesses , and it did cross my mind at the time , knowing that they do not accept the sign of the cross , that it was a bit odd to have their funeral services conducted before a sign they had spent many hours preaching against .
Being a Christian I don't feel strongly about this issue of the cross . I have a crucifix in my home . It symbolises a lot to me .....everything really . I attend church on Sundays , and the cross is central to what occurs in the church .
But I can't see anything wrong with having a moveable cross at the crematorium , so that Christians can have the cross on display and secularists , humanists , atheists can have the cross not on display .
And as for this being a Christian country......well it isn't and never has been . A country cannot be Christian . Only a person can be Christian . A country might have 99% of its population committed Christians , but that doesn't make the country Christian . It can't do.....just as my dog , not being a person , can never be Christian .
Now if all of this makes me a PC nutter , well I have no problems with that . I am already a nutter for many , perhaps for most on this forum just for being a Christian ......believing all those "fairy tales" , "superstitions" , "brainwashed by all those paedophile men in dresses", etc , etc .
The last two funerals I attended at the crematorium were of two friends who were Jehovah's Witnesses , and it did cross my mind at the time , knowing that they do not accept the sign of the cross , that it was a bit odd to have their funeral services conducted before a sign they had spent many hours preaching against .
Being a Christian I don't feel strongly about this issue of the cross . I have a crucifix in my home . It symbolises a lot to me .....everything really . I attend church on Sundays , and the cross is central to what occurs in the church .
But I can't see anything wrong with having a moveable cross at the crematorium , so that Christians can have the cross on display and secularists , humanists , atheists can have the cross not on display .
And as for this being a Christian country......well it isn't and never has been . A country cannot be Christian . Only a person can be Christian . A country might have 99% of its population committed Christians , but that doesn't make the country Christian . It can't do.....just as my dog , not being a person , can never be Christian .
Now if all of this makes me a PC nutter , well I have no problems with that . I am already a nutter for many , perhaps for most on this forum just for being a Christian ......believing all those "fairy tales" , "superstitions" , "brainwashed by all those paedophile men in dresses", etc , etc .
he cant he got banned from the group
but there were plenty of other places on facebook he could have answered , plead his case , corrected the public and also twitter
i have no doubt he will ride the storm and get his way and the Christians of hyndburn will have to make do with a trinket crucifix and hope the people at the back can see it
not even sure if complaining to our MP will do any good but it could be worth a try
they kind of have us over a barrel if you cant afford a burial you have to use this crematorium or the green wheelie bin i assume
it wasnt that long ago a woman got sacked from heathrow because she wore a crucifix so dont really expect any help or respect from the people in authority.
Last edited:
I take your point and I don't think you are a nutter.Some have used this topic to get at the Muslims , but as has been pointed out on the thread Muslims are forbidden to have cremations , so they won't be at the crematorium .
The last two funerals I attended at the crematorium were of two friends who were Jehovah's Witnesses , and it did cross my mind at the time , knowing that they do not accept the sign of the cross , that it was a bit odd to have their funeral services conducted before a sign they had spent many hours preaching against .
Being a Christian I don't feel strongly about this issue of the cross . I have a crucifix in my home . It symbolises a lot to me .....everything really . I attend church on Sundays , and the cross is central to what occurs in the church .
But I can't see anything wrong with having a moveable cross at the crematorium , so that Christians can have the cross on display and secularists , humanists , atheists can have the cross not on display .
And as for this being a Christian country......well it isn't and never has been . A country cannot be Christian . Only a person can be Christian . A country might have 99% of its population committed Christians , but that doesn't make the country Christian . It can't do.....just as my dog , not being a person , can never be Christian .
Now if all of this makes me a PC nutter , well I have no problems with that . I am already a nutter for many , perhaps for most on this forum just for being a Christian ......believing all those "fairy tales" , "superstitions" , "brainwashed by all those paedophile men in dresses", etc , etc .
Whatever gets you through the night...is fine by me.
Faith is an admirable attribute.
When I said it was a Christian country what I really meant was a country that has a strong Christian past, christian values......and that the majority of the population follow the tenets of Christianity even if they deny the faith for themselves.
Many people are embarrassed to admit that they have a faith on which they can lean...some will only find a faith when they find difficulty.
I consider myself chastened and will make my post clearer next time......by saying what I mean.
Why would anyone be offended by a cross?
If you are not a Christian, it will mean nothing to you so just treat it as a wall decoration.
If you are not a Christian, it will mean nothing to you so just treat it as a wall decoration.
Pandering to the whims of the PC brigade just turns the whole thing into a farce.
Why go to all the bother of removing the cross? If a funeral party is so anti Christian then simply cover it over with a sheet.
I suspect that most non Christians attending a service at the crem wouldn't take a lot of notice of a cross on the wall and certainly wouldn't be offended by it's presence..
Why go to all the bother of removing the cross? If a funeral party is so anti Christian then simply cover it over with a sheet.
I suspect that most non Christians attending a service at the crem wouldn't take a lot of notice of a cross on the wall and certainly wouldn't be offended by it's presence..
You do surprise me, I thought Ken was one of the more "balanced" of the labour luvvie lefties ........ Aye well! You live & learn.
Explain minorities?
Non believers on the last census were the majority of people in Hyndburn & fastest growing group of people.
Even if non believers were more prevalent, this doesn't mean that they would take offence at a cross being visible in the crematorium.
Aren't we being just too sensitive?
Seeing offence where there is none.....and making offence where there should be none.
I can see there being more offence in a cross not being there for those who have a faith, than that of a cross being present where those gathered have no faith.....If you have no faith then the cross is of no more significance than a bit of wall art.
Aren't we being just too sensitive?
Seeing offence where there is none.....and making offence where there should be none.
I can see there being more offence in a cross not being there for those who have a faith, than that of a cross being present where those gathered have no faith.....If you have no faith then the cross is of no more significance than a bit of wall art.
It has been pointed out in earlier posts that Muslims do not use cremation...it is forbidden.
Why me? You not got a dictionary in your house? Well if it makes you any happier .....
minority
(redirected from minorities)
Also found in: Legal, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia. mi·nor·i·ty
(mə-nôr′ĭ-tē, -nŏr′-, mī-)n. pl. mi·nor·i·ties 1. a. The smaller in number of two groups forming a whole.
b. A group or party having fewer than a controlling number of votes.
2. a. A racial, religious, political, national, or other group thought to be different from the larger group of which it is part.
b. A group having little power or representation relative to other groups within a society.
c. A member of one of these groups. See Usage Note at color.
3. Law The state or period of being younger than the age for legal adulthood: still in her minority.
Taken from the free online Dictionary, you might want to try it in future if you come across some big words again that you're not sure of.
Erm....did you get the same researcher who forgot where you lived to get that little nugget?
Check Browser Settings
no no he wrote it himself look
it wasnt researched he wote that he had spoken to us the people of XXXX lol
yeah its an old one but i like watching reruns of the two ronnies as well
Attachments
Last edited:
i wonder how his posts would have read if it had been a tory councilor and not his former council buddy and still fellow labour member that took away the crucifix
i have no doubt the replies would be of outrage and disgust at the disregard given to christians and how the tory lot are to blame for adding to the decline of society and its christian values
i have no doubt the replies would be of outrage and disgust at the disregard given to christians and how the tory lot are to blame for adding to the decline of society and its christian values
I wonder how Graham Jones categorises non believers.
If you add up all the figures of the other categories it comes to just a little less than 50%.......but four and a half thousand people did not state their religion......so some of these could quite easily fall into any category.....including Christian.
Less than 50% is not a majority.
I know that in the past we have had some erroneous per centages bandied about
But if you are going to defend something by relying on figures (even if you quoted that the 'majority' rather than actually quoting figures) make sure that the actual government recognised statistics DO support what you are saying.....in this case they clearly do not.