Daggers match thread

To say I was frustrated after the game yesterday would be an understatement and I must apologise to anyone who was within earshot of my expletives between Accrington and the journey home to Salford.

Put simply, everything went wrong. We started brightly and then petered out into a shameful mess.

Team selection - Laurence Wilson does not have a right foot yet was played at right back and was subsequently annihilated time and time again. Beattie was a dead weight, embarrassingly trudging around in a ten yard square, winning about 10% of the balls put to him and failing to hold it up when he did. We seem to be making a lot of people unhappy and making our own team worse in order to make space in the team for him.

Shape - I don't know what the instructions were for the left flank but needless to say it was a horror show. Boco started on the left but kept drifting inwards to a centre forward position, which meant him and Podge were going for the same passes - this meant our wide options were minimised. Not only was Podge doing the running for the oil tanker that is Beattie but was also covering Boco as he showed the positional sense of a bluebottle. Amond's injury meant that Boco was pushed up front which allowed him the free role in which he is best applied.
On the right, Lindfield seemed to be played as an inside forward but spent most of his time tracking back to help out the hapless Wilson. Lindfield worked hard but lost the ball often due to having no outlet.
When the ball was in the opposition's defending third we failed to close the ball down with any tenacity. Look at how the other team act when we have the ball on the edge of our box compared to how we do - we sit and wait for the ball to be played. This is criminal.
Neither Miller or Joyce imposed themselves on the game which meant we were overrun. When Dixon came on - stampeding through the middle and causing the Daggers all manner of problems - this difference was highlighted.

Individual errors - our marking was horrific at set-pieces, gifting free headers to the opposition with a cringing regularity.

Application - there was no hunger, fight or desire to win the game from any player on the park. That fact is the most disappointing as it is the only thing Stanley fans demand from their team. The only positive comment I have on this subject is the way Dixon and Clark played like they want to be in the team, well done you two.

Yesterday was a reality check. We did not turn the proverbial corner we all hoped we did on New Year's Day. We shouldn't need the petulance of a former manager returning to the ground in order to stir up some desire. If we play like this again, we're well on the way to getting relegated. Get another gate like that and I don't want to say where we'll be.

I feel for Leam as he has inherited a team with hardly any experience in it but he's going to have to pull something out of the bag this month.
 
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Great post, Shaker, but I must disagree with your comment that we showed no fight or desire to win the game. It's just that we weren't good enough!
 
I can't believe we showed no fight, get out played ?,that happens,but there are a few fighters in our team.Looking at there team,they have some really good players,including Doe,who's a rock at cb for them.
Looks like there left winger kept cutting inside causing havoc.
 
Great post, Shaker, but I must disagree with your comment that we showed no fight or desire to win the game. It's just that we weren't good enough!

Nail on the head Red !... We were worse than The Daggers in every department, worst of all in Midfield and in the 'lets win this one' area where the spirit and desire to succeed was so obviously missing. Then again Cameron Belford had little to do apart from pick the ball out of the net twice and boot the ball long and high to strikers who were SO inept on the day that the prospect of them scoring a goal was a distant possibility and allowed their Centre Backs to enjoy an extended Christmas Holiday !, so was the gap between he teams that wide after all ??...
Again I remember Sir Bobby Robson's oft quoted maxim...
'Score goals...win matches...win Trophys..... No goals...lose matches...get relegated '... Simplistic maybe, but seeming ever more relevant to life at The Crown , for where will the much-needed goals come from ?.....I am perplexed !... and must say that there is some crescendo in the squeaky murmurs emanating from my gluteal region !.
 
I feel for Leam as he has inherited a team with hardly any experience in it but he's going to have to pull something out of the bag this month.

Leam inherited a team that was mid table, still in the FA cup and trying to play some decent football. He has since added 3 players to the squad, changed the way we play and turned us into a pub team heading for a relegation dogfight
 
When cook took over,we were on the fringes of the play-offs,but I genuinely believe it was proccys departure that unbalanced our team,and we have never replaced him.He added presence to the team,screened the back four,and generally led by example.
He may not have been everybody's cup of tea,but was very effective in all areas of the field and never went hiding.
 
Leam inherited a team that was mid table, still in the FA cup and trying to play some decent football. He has since added 3 players to the squad, changed the way we play and turned us into a pub team heading for a relegation dogfight

That is a very harsh comment, for a start the season was only 8 or 9 weeks old when cook left for greener pastures so our then mid table position was maybe a little misleading. Based on the 15 games cook led us into this season & the same number since he left that Leam has been in charge, their records are quite similar - we have won 1 less under leam but have lost 2 less & drawn 3 more than we did under paul cook. Ok, yesterday was a bit of a nightmare but there is still time for the lads to turn things round & i for one would rather have a manager who has the club at heart rather than one who cleared off as soon as the going got a bit tough despite all his cliches about wanting to mould his own team.
 
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Well,well, well, what a difference a game makes , as they say , unfortunately in our case for all the wrong reasons.
Yes I thought and hoped we had turned the corner in January and after the Chesterfield match , great EUREKA ...we had or seemed to have done!
I agree with Smobile's assessment over the coming 3 games ....in fact I felt that if we didn't get 3 points after the Plymouth game...which we didn't ,that would be it the dreaded relegation battle is looming....
Well now we have turned a corner....straight into a cul-de-sac...which is heading 1 way!!
I know and understand why everybody loves Leam and he is such a nice guy ...bla, bla , bla, BUT reality is NICE GUYS especially at manager level , don't cut it in this business, My most favourite manager of all time was Cloughie and HE certainly wasn't a nice guy with players...even now , Ferguson,and Wenger aren't nice guys...BUT they DO get results, and think back not too far NO WAY would you say COLEY was a nice manager , but by hell he DID get results!!!
Just taking the last game as a small example, the change of Amond caused SO MUCH disruption to the team,and let's face it , we haven't had a stable defence for quite some time now,so doing what he did, (LEAM) was stupid.
There is a HELL of a lot of work for him to do this month even if we are to survive in this league, I am in agreement with most on this forum that we NEED a LEADER someone to motive ALL the team, which even though I wasn't a great fan of Proccie, he DID manage to do however he also had the support of Winnard , and Hessey, who were both very vocal, and that is good for a team, it shows commitment, and desire....
the present captain Joyce does not seem to generate any motivation or leadership so Winnard at least should be made captain and GET the shirkers in the side to WORK..
If I were Leam I'd get ALL the team who Played (except Belford...poor guy) to go to watch how Morecambe cope with the Daggers...it's free,
and would be worthwhile to see what a difference it is!!!
Once again like Smobile says, I think this month WILL determine our fate...
 
When cook took over,we were on the fringes of the play-offs,but I genuinely believe it was proccys departure that unbalanced our team,and we have never replaced him.He added presence to the team,screened the back four,and generally led by example.
He may not have been everybody's cup of tea,but was very effective in all areas of the field and never went hiding.
Got to say that you have that spot on............... :)
 
Want to add my twopenneth on Stanley's current plight. Am not going to dwell too much on yesterday, which was awful. Last Tuesday's exult was good, however if we analyse the game it papers over the cracks, as despite a spirited performance, the only thing between us and defeat was a great goalkeeping display by a guy on his home debut and some bad luck on Chesterfield's part.

I'll repeat what I said over a month ago, for me, the manager just hasn't the experience or force of personality to take the team forward and we need to ace up to the fact we're in a real scrap retain our league status. There always seems to be one team who drops from mid table security and ends up in free fall - this year I fear that's us and unfortunately I've seen nowhere near enough in the last 6 weeks to suggest we'll scrap our way out.

I know Rob reads these posts and I'd say to the club hierarchy, what's Plan B as that's vital for continued success at a football club, as managers and players always move on, either upwards and onwards or as a result of not being deemed good enough. So just as football managers have scouting networks for players, are we doing enough to keep our eyes on potential successors - this is not disloyalty to current incumbents, it's good management practice. For example, I know that the FA Cup has given Macclesfield some publicity this weekend, but their manager has had success in his career, we're similar sized clubs with similar budgets, are people like him known to the directors running our club?

Retaining our league status is vital to our club and we need to all pull together to achieve this, and if we do, my plea to the hierarchy is that your job is to ensure we don't get into this position again as it's too close for comfort.
 
There always seems to be one team who drops from mid table security and ends up in free fall

Maybe there are 2 previous managers who are panicking more on that basis, both of whom are looking dodgy and one was beaten by Stanley recently.
 
Dear Leam, Internet scouting DOES work !!....sign this multi-purpose guy as soon as you can...he's the answer to any Manager's problems, and no mistake !!...
watch

 
I wonder how Toto would do pushed up a bit in the Defensive Midfield role a la David Luiz. Can't say I've noticied if his distribution is any good.

I wasn't at the last couple of games due to work commitments however if by the sounds of it we are sticking by the direct football mantra as adopted by Leam why not just admit it and drop our "footballing" players.

Belford
Hunt Toto Winnard Liddle
Murphy
Lindfield Dixon Boco Molyeneux
Beattie

Murphy infront of the defensive to show a bit of fight.

Get the ball out wide and then Beattie, Boco and Dixon to get on the end of crosses.

Ideally we'd want to swap Beattie for a Symes or a Gornell type however I doubt that's ever going to happen.
 
Don't understand and agree with the people who say we thought we had turned the corner after the chesterfield match . That was one of the luckiest wins I've seen all season. We got absolutely hammered in all positions and if it wasn't for Belford and the woodwork on another day they would of scored 5 or 6! The team is all over the place. We looked like a pub team and have done for some time! I totally agree with someone's post on here how we were in the FA cup , playing quality on the floor football , midtable and 1 or 2 points off the big boys and promotion and then leam has brought in a few of his players , changed our style and suddenly it's gone pear shaped!

Does anyone else know why he hasn't realised Joyce is not a captain and him and Miller can't play in midfield together or even what so ever this season!
Could he not see yesterday how beattie did nothing and was just a lead weight sinking down the game for the whole squad?
Could he not see like the whole crowd that the new bloke is a left back and couldn't kick with his right when they were tearing us apart down the flanks?

The ship is sinking fast and if a miracle of a Goalscorer doesn't come in by January I don't see is scoring?

As for the booing , I for the first time ever at a football match had to join in. Paying all that money to watch that kind of performance is embarrassing! They have the right to boo at the prices people pay to watch that! No effort and desire!

It's a slippy slope from now on and don't see how it's going to get any better!

If we don't get a result at aldershot then I fear , very much.
 
Don't understand and agree with the people who say we thought we had turned the corner after the chesterfield match . That was one of the luckiest wins I've seen all season. We got absolutely hammered in all positions and if it wasn't for Belford and the woodwork on another day they would of scored 5 or 6! The team is all over the place. We looked like a pub team and have done for some time! I totally agree with someone's post on here how we were in the FA cup , playing quality on the floor football , midtable and 1 or 2 points off the big boys and promotion and then leam has brought in a few of his players , changed our style and suddenly it's gone pear shaped!
Now just hang on a moment. Thankfully, I wasn't there on Saturday so I am not going to comment on that. Yes, the Chesterfield win may have been "lucky" - but it works both ways. We could have beaten Plymouth at least 6 - 1, had it not been for several world class saves by the Plymouth keeper and some terrible decisions by the officials. And whatever the problems are, they are certainly not new. How many times this season have we been indebted to Ian Dunbavin for fantastic saves. Just read the reports of earlier games. And these reports sometimes suggest that we were not playing "quality on the floor football" as you like to imagine.

And what's this about "Leam has brought in a few of his players"? Until the last week, I was aware of only one that Leam had brought in.
 
Think once again we need a reality check!!,Acci simply can't afford top div 2 players,indeed one of fleetwoods players is on more than all the acci squad combined.We are a few players away from being a decent team,a centre forward who holds the ball up,a holding mid with presence,and maybe some pace in wide areas.
We can't compete in the loan market,as top prospects will go elsewhere,and others are generally team fillers.
If we have to battle in the lower half of the league , so be it,we may be lucky,Sri on a few gems,who will make us some money.
The conference is full of teams with better resources/facilities than us,but there is something special about acci,that others don't have.
One is player/supporter bond,no big time Charlie's ,just hardworking honest lads.
We need to back the team,win,lose or draw,to keep our league status, negativity will soon be transferred to the team,and that will be no good to anyone,especially the younger ones
 
Think once again we need a reality check!!,Acci simply can't afford top div 2 players,indeed one of fleetwoods players is on more than all the acci squad combined.We are a few players away from being a decent team,a centre forward who holds the ball up,a holding mid with presence,and maybe some pace in wide areas.
We can't compete in the loan market,as top prospects will go elsewhere,and others are generally team fillers.
If we have to battle in the lower half of the league , so be it,we may be lucky,Sri on a few gems,who will make us some money.
The conference is full of teams with better resources/facilities than us,but there is something special about acci,that others don't have.
One is player/supporter bond,no big time Charlie's ,just hardworking honest lads.
We need to back the team,win,lose or draw,to keep our league status, negativity will soon be transferred to the team,and that will be no good to anyone,especially the younger ones
Again, very well said.
 
Think once again we need a reality check!!,Acci simply can't afford top div 2 players,indeed one of fleetwoods players is on more than all the acci squad combined.We are a few players away from being a decent team,a centre forward who holds the ball up,a holding mid with presence,and maybe some pace in wide areas.
We can't compete in the loan market,as top prospects will go elsewhere,and others are generally team fillers.
If we have to battle in the lower half of the league , so be it,we may be lucky,Sri on a few gems,who will make us some money.
The conference is full of teams with better resources/facilities than us,but there is something special about acci,that others don't have.
One is player/supporter bond,no big time Charlie's ,just hardworking honest lads.
We need to back the team,win,lose or draw,to keep our league status, negativity will soon be transferred to the team,and that will be no good to anyone,especially the younger ones

Totally agree with you Football19. We must not let negativity get to the players. True Stanley fans will be singing, "Stanley 'till I die!" even if we get relegated.
I feel for Leam as he inherited a squad with limitations, he has no money to either buy players, or to use good pay as a carrot for players to sign on with us. At best he can only sign players on loan or take on guys currently not playing, (therefore usually not match fit).....3 in our squad now I think?
After the match I was speechless and said to friends that I was not going to comment on here. However, after reading some of the commments posted earlier and reflecting on some supporters in the Clayton end "booing", I cannot stay silent.
We must remain realistic....When people outside the Stanley circle ask me in August what our prospects are for the coming season, (that is since promotion back into the football league), my answer has always been..."Staying in the league for Stanley is like winning a trophy to me and third from bottom or above is good news!". Of course, it is a great bonus if we do any better, and we certainly have managed to punch above our weight for a number of seasons now. When we did get succesful with the great team that Coley and Jimmy built that got us into the play offs, the heart of that team was tempted away by other clubs with more cash!?!
I am not going to criticise team selection from the squad that we currently have, but I can only repeat my previous observations that we do have an obvious weakness in midfield. Leam must try to introduce that degree of "combativity" that we have had in the past with players like Procky and Jimmy Ryan. Bohan seemed to make a big difference with his aggresive running in the second half. I am sure that Beattie up front can still produce the goods but he is not going to do anything until he gets some decent and quicker service from the midfield and we see less of the desperate "hoofball" from our back line.
Come on Stanley fans lets keep singing and back our team. We have been through difficult times before and our support is what is needed now.
Come on you REDS!
 
Want to add my twopenneth on Stanley's current plight. Am not going to dwell too much on yesterday, which was awful. Last Tuesday's exult was good, however if we analyse the game it papers over the cracks, as despite a spirited performance, the only thing between us and defeat was a great goalkeeping display by a guy on his home debut and some bad luck on Chesterfield's part.

I'll repeat what I said over a month ago, for me, the manager just hasn't the experience or force of personality to take the team forward and we need to ace up to the fact we're in a real scrap retain our league status. There always seems to be one team who drops from mid table security and ends up in free fall - this year I fear that's us and unfortunately I've seen nowhere near enough in the last 6 weeks to suggest we'll scrap our way out.

I know Rob reads these posts and I'd say to the club hierarchy, what's Plan B as that's vital for continued success at a football club, as managers and players always move on, either upwards and onwards or as a result of not being deemed good enough. So just as football managers have scouting networks for players, are we doing enough to keep our eyes on potential successors - this is not disloyalty to current incumbents, it's good management practice. For example, I know that the FA Cup has given Macclesfield some publicity this weekend, but their manager has had success in his career, we're similar sized clubs with similar budgets, are people like him known to the directors running our club?

Retaining our league status is vital to our club and we need to all pull together to achieve this, and if we do, my plea to the hierarchy is that your job is to ensure we don't get into this position again as it's too close for comfort.

Macclesfield fans were up in arms when Steve King was appointed. The majority simply did not want him. They had a great start to the season and all of a sudden he was hero, their form dipped and they started slagging him off again. Now after Saturday he is a hero again. Macclesfield fans are the most fickle I've come across.

However, they are certainly a case in point when it comes to teams dropping like a stone. This time last season they were in the top half of League 2, lost to Bolton in the FA cup replay and then didn't win again all season and ended up relegated.

Losing runs are very difficult to break once the confidence has been lost and the Macc team were nervous wrecks towards the end of last season. I think Stanley have the ability, fight and nous to pick up enough points along the way, to avoid the drop, but the simularity with Macc Town is there for all to see.

Keep supporting the team, encouragement is the key, Macc fans did the opposite and the players became rabbits trapped in the headlights.
 
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We're in a real scrap and when it's tough, we all need to pull together and back the cause because none of us want to see Stanley slide out of the
League.

Choirboy makes a great point about finishing 3rd bottom as with our facilities and resources, we should be bottom of the league by some way and whilst that is a reality check, our expectations are now higher than that, as we feel we're an established League 2 club and the current outlook is bleak.

It is about pulling together, getting behind the team, making sure the players know the support and will is there for them rather than them being scared to play at home and at the same time, the hierarchy putting things in place to avoid us being in this situation next year.

Despite our lack of everything, there is something special about the place - you only need to look at how many ex players you see coming back to watch matches to tell you that.
 
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