Dave O'Neil statement

kenny254 said:
I feel people have been quick to judge,.
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not true. he was given ample time, which now we dont have. For weeks we have been lied to, and for weeks we have been deceived. Allied to this is the fact that people like me and Loweiy (and others, just picking on the better known) are apparently not 'true fans'. He was given a chance to rescind this statement but 'stands by everything he has said'.

He has failed to lead, he has failed to inspire, and above all else he has failed to lead by example. At his point (22 days to go) we do not now have time to purely trust him. We need to take decisive action and make the individuals realise that they are without a shadow of a doubt taking the club down.


kenny254 said:
a couple of months ago, no-one really knew the extent of the problems, it was only after he took over that the real financial problems came to light.
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first part is true, second part is not. We owe significantly more than £308k but yet we are assured by the club that we only owe month-to-month trading. Absolutley, postively not true.

More lies
 
Re: On stanley on>>>>>

kenny254 said:
How can the present situation at Accrington Stanley be the fault of Dave O'Neill, he hasen't got the club into this financial mess, but people are determind to blame him and make him out to be the bad guy that we should be in favour of flogging... There are a lot of hard working people at Accrington Stanley, who work long hard hours for a very basic wage, people are to quick to judge. I for one are getting behind the local club who deserves backing and support from the people of Accrington.
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Very well said.If Dave O'Neill hadn't been 'in the wrong place at the wrong time' what situation would we be in now,if a certain Eric Whalley was still in charge.Obviously he hadn't the money to pay off these debts,how much further in debt would the club be?,perhaps that's why they turned to gambling to pay the debt off!!
 
maccawozzagod;751028 first part is true said:
How can you be so sure that significantly more money is owed? Do you work in the day to day running of the club?.... Because the people who do work behind the scenes and who are under real threat of having no job after the end of the month are trying their very best and are the only people who truley understand what is going on, for gods sake give um a break.......
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kenny254 said:
How can you be so sure that significantly more money is owed? Do you work in the day to day running of the club?.... Because the people who do work behind the scenes and who are under real threat of having no job after the end of the month are trying their very best and are the only people who truley understand what is going on, for gods sake give um a break.......
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Kenny!!..Whilst I laud your compassionate leanings towards the Club's employees..Can I remind you that, due to the existing emergency, there just isn't time for anyone at 'The Crown Ground' be it The Co-Chairmen..The Directors...The CEO and all his Staff...to be given, or to take a break!!..

I would have thought ...with all the news, views, and opinions posted here ,there and every where on the Forum that you might have guessed that it's not only those previously mentioned who have some insight into the Fiscal and other matters making up the Debacle unfolding before our eyes..but also many other informed and intelligent persons who are privy to the details existing within these elements of concern !!.

I am also certain that, like me, you would hope that an urgent and more industrious resolution of the situation that is tearing the insides out of our proud Club...will lead to it's early salvation from it's throes !!




'ON STANLEY!!!!...ON!!!!'
 
I never said take a break and do not belive they are...... I said give um a break, they are under stress at the thought of loosing their jobs and can well do without the many negative views.
 
kenny254 said:
If people put as much effort into getting behind Mr O'neill and the hard working people at Accrington Stanley, instead of making silly little insignificant comments then the possibility of the club being saved may become more of a reality..... Have you ever thought that Mr Khan might be a glory hunter, who is enjoying the discontent at the club.........
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What a load of bull, now get back to doing what you're paid to do.:mad:
 
kenny254 said:
.... I feel people have been quick to judge, a couple of months ago, noone really knew the extent of the problems, people wanted shut of Mr Whalley and were quite happy for DON to take the helm, it was only after he took over that the real financial problems came to light.
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What happened to "due diligence". Didn't DON go through the books to ascertain what the true picture was before he took over? Or is this too simplistic a question?

Anyway, what's done's done. We are where we are and it's only the supporters together with any benefactors who can be found who'll save us from administration or worse.

For the life of me, I can't see what's wrong with bringing Ilyas Khan on board, he does seem to have an impressive business track record and is clearly an intelligent man of some financial worth.

Long term, however, it's difficult to see how a club of our size can seriously compete in the Football League when attendances are so low.

Clearly there are sections of the Accrington public who support the club - many with soft words rather than hard cash through the turnstiles - but, in all honesty, I think there are too few of them to sustain the club at this level.

Any outside party - by that I mean anyone other than the current directors - interested in investing in or owning the club will need either deep pockets or be able to come up with something radical to keep a club with average gates barely above 1,000 solvent.
 
ukcowboy said:
I know this is a serious subject, but after reading the Don's statement I couldnt resist this little gem................the last couple of lines sum it up for me!!

YouTube - Carry on Cleo - Infamy
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As you might have guessed Cowboy, this pleases me immensely !...and now that 'The Ides of October' are upon US!...can I add this little reminder to our 'I'm no Villain' Co-Chairperson :-

It is now the 7th of October...the clock ticks a little louder than it did yesterday!...so just as my little effort for today...an Aide-Memoire !....

Your Pledge to everyone concerned is!:-

"I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.".


'LEST WE FORGET !!!'
 
A SIMPLISTIC VIEW;
As the DON is such a successful businessman , like I and DEVON STANLEY above (and others ) have mentioned, he would've discovered the debt(s) when conducting due diligence prior to purchase. Therefore, it is safe to assume that he would have worked out how to repay it (them) to keep alive his investment BEFORE he concluded the deal with ERIC. Therefore,there is no need for any concearn for the future of ASFC.

If MR O'NEILL honestly didn't know of the debt(s) , then he is a total incompedent and isn't fit to hold a broom let alone own a football club.
 
Kiwi John you have it in a nutshell! none of this can have come as a surprise to the DON, if it did then some one should hide the broom:)
 
glosterred said:
Kiwi John you have it in a nutshell! none of this can have come as a surprise to the DON, if it did then some one should hide the broom:)
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Alfred.E. writes.....Of course it's above me to comment thus.. but I can predict with some certainty that some of the more cynical postees on our Forum will be thinking..' And where would you suggest might be the best place to hide it then ??...'



"I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.".

'LEST WE FORGET !!!'
 
Kiwi John said:
A SIMPLISTIC VIEW;
As the DON is such a successful businessman , like I and DEVON STANLEY above (and others ) have mentioned, he would've discovered the debt(s) when conducting due diligence prior to purchase. Therefore, it is safe to assume that he would have worked out how to repay it (them) to keep alive his investment BEFORE he concluded the deal with ERIC. Therefore,there is no need for any concearn for the future of ASFC.
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However, bear in mind that at the time of the takeover the October 28th deadline had not been given; was there the assumption, at this time, that there was more time to pay off the taxman, with any such payment plan being centred around this assumption?
 
Fatso said:
However, bear in mind that at the time of the takeover the October 28th deadline had not been given; was there the assumption, at this time, that there was more time to pay off the taxman, with any such payment plan being centred around this assumption?
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Surely any businessman would know that you don't make assumptions with HMRC. You deal in factual knowledge.

Let's not forget that the powers-that-be "assumed" that the Fraser Eagle shirt sponsorship lasted for five years when it was in fact only three. And that was before Fraser Eagle found itself in financial difficulties.
 
Yonmon.... the question of where to hide the broom will open a whole other can of worms..... but my very sensible suggestion would be to place it in a cupbboard to be on the safe side:D
 
Revived Red said:
Surely any businessman would know that you don't make assumptions with HMRC. You deal in factual knowledge.

Let's not forget that the powers-that-be "assumed" that the Fraser Eagle shirt sponsorship lasted for five years when it was in fact only three. And that was before Fraser Eagle found itself in financial difficulties.
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You would think so, yes... but from looking at announcements at the Fishy site;

The club have put forward proposals to clear the debt over the next twelve months, and HMRC are satisfied that the club are serious about clearing the debt and will continue to work with the club to that end.
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Just over twelve weeks ago HMRC agreed not to oppose an initial request for an adjournment after the football club submitted details proposals to repay the petition debt of £300,000 over a twelve month period. However in recent weeks it became clear that HMRC were going to seek a much shorter period of repayment ahead of the second hearing scheduled for today, and although negotiations continued until late last night it was not possible to avoid having to travel down to the court this morning.
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and

With our original twelve month plan we had sought to repay the money owed from the club’s annual turnover, by significantly reducing costs in some areas and increasing revenue streams in others. Because of this it would not have been necessary to go out and fundraise specifically for this cause.
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It's not an unreasonable assumption that any initial plans were based on a 12th month repayment plan.

But, yes, when it comes to owing money to HMRC as any fule kno; you make sure you get the facts from them before doing anything.
 
All those comments from the fishy site were based on an assumption, not an agreement. Look at David O'Neill's statement at the bottom of the SOS website home page.
 
OCTOBER 8th 2009 (Another 24 Hours 'crucial to the fate of Accrington Stanley ??')

AND MY CRUSADE CONTINUES !..(Because time is getting so Short!)..

Can I remind our Non-Villainous Joint Chair-person ??...Like Nelson Mandela's Chiropodist once said 'Defeat is just unthinkable !!'...and of his..(Do'N's not the Podiatrist!) pledge made to us all....

"I assure you that I will not let Accrington Stanley fold again.".

'LEST WE FORGET !!'
 
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