death penalty?

for or against the death penalty

  • for

    Votes: 25 49.0%

  • against

    Votes: 20 39.2%

  • undecided

    Votes: 6 11.8%
  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .
emamum

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In the wake of another massacre i am wondering what accywebs opinion of the death penalty is? I m a little stuck on this one since we hear so often of people being sent to prison for crimes they didnt commit..And it also seems like an easy solution and a quick release for the purpetrator, instead of rotting in jail they die, in some cases death is preferable to the lives they have.Should they not have their freedom taken from them and have to live knowing that?
I do agree that life should mean life in some cases...

Is the threat of the electric chair or hanging enough to stop the crimes being commited?

Or is death a fitting punishment for taking someones life?
Where do we draw the line?
I am thinking about Jamies Bulgers Killers, they were children themselves, now adults starting new lives... is that justice? Jamie didnt get to!

Please leave comments, I am interested in you opinions on this.



If we all took an eye for an eye, we would all be blind...........
 
Against because it's too easy to convicted for a crime you didn't commit or mean to commit.
And no I can't even bare to watch them on utube. Apparently there's some guy called ted bundy on there, I haven't looked and wouldn't.
 
what if it was proved beyond a doubt that the person had commited the crime?
caught on cctv for example?
 
Voted against because there was no (in some cases) catagorie.
Some people deserve to be murdered.All cases must be judged seperately.
 
emamum23 said:
In the wake of another massacre i am wondering what accywebs opinion of the death penalty is? I m a little stuck on this one since we hear so often of people being sent to prison for crimes they didnt commit..And it also seems like an easy solution and a quick release for the purpetrator, instead of rotting in jail they die, in some cases death is preferable to the lives they have.Should they not have their freedom taken from them and have to live knowing that?
I do agree that life should mean life in some cases...

Is the threat of the electric chair or hanging enough to stop the crimes being commited?

Or is death a fitting punishment for taking someones life?
Where do we draw the line?
I am thinking about Jamies Bulgers Killers, they were children themselves, now adults starting new lives... is that justice? Jamie didnt get to!

Please leave comments, I am interested in you opinions on this.



If we all took an eye for an eye, we would all be blind...........
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.....The massacre were he killed himself! Death Penalty be out the question!
 
No emamum23 because if the crime is that bad it's too good for them. I can't think of any crime where a death penalty would be justified, but then I'm a very forgiving person. Too laid back for my own good.
 
I beleive in payback/karma if u hurt some one expect to be hurt back....if you go as far as killing then you should be prepared to die yourself.......sorry if you don't all agree
 
Im afraid this is one of my big issues.

There is simply no excuse for the death penalty in a civilised society. Absolutely none. In all the hours of debating this I am yet to be given a pro argument that doesnt have vengeance at its root.

"Society has a right to protect itself, but it doesnt have the right to be vengeful. It has a right to punish, but it doesnt have the right to kill" (West Wing - Take this Sabbath day)

Lets not forget that the justice system is there to administer justice, not revenge and the only supporting argument for the death penalty is that it would make everyone feel better for a while. If anyone thinks it acts as a deterrent, then look at the USA, where drug kingpins and the like live their lives under the constant threat of execution, and their executions are a lot less pleasant and tend to take place without the bother and expense of due process.

One murder isnt any better than the other, and in fact, the death penalty is worse. A Murder of passion, whilst unforgivable, at least has a reason behind it - i.e. a person is unstable, acted on overwhelming emotion or pressure etc. The death penalty has none of those mitigating circumstances, its the pre-meditated ending of another human being's life - people actually sitting around in suits deciding whether to kill someone. Plainly put, state sanctioned murder.

You also lose the moral high ground. Our justice system SHOULD be tough and SHOULD set an example, it should provide genuine deterrents but it shouldnt be there to dole out vengeance and retribution.

I also dont buy this argument of "why should we pay to keep them" - the fact that our justice system is a little short sighted is no justification - there are plenty of things I could think of to do with them that will be cost neutral to the tax payer.
 
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By the way, countries that still use it to execute minors - Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and China. You really want to join that club?
 
emamum23 said:
Another question.... would you go and watch a public execution???
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if anything ever happened to Reece (as you probably would with Tyler) i would definately go and watch just to make sure the ******** where finished off properly

i'm neither for nor against capital punishment because it has been proved in some cases that the person who was hanged/executed for the crime, didnt actual commit it
 
MikeSz said:
Dont mean to sound horrible but that simply proves my point.
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yes maybe Mike but how i see it is its an eye for an eye, everyone has differing opinions on different things in life, if we didnt the world would just be madder than it already is
 
I am a little undecided on this issue. I can see the argument for both sides of the question and I can also see the pitfalls. If our system of justice was a little more thorough and less prone to the undue influence of the bleeding heart liberal tendency, then a sentence for "life" would mean just that; the rest of a person's natural life.

As it is at the moment, if you are canny enough to convince the parole board that you are truly contrite and remorseful and keep your nose clean while in prison you can be out and free within eight years. I can well understand why the relatives of victims of murder feel that justice has not been done. The justice system appears to be weighted too far in favour of the accused. Prison life should be unpleasant and not, as it appears to be; a state sponsored holiday camp.

As long as politicians are arrogant enough to believe that they can use the prison system as a social engineering tool there will be continued calls for the return of the death penalty.
 
MikeSz said:
I also dont buy this argument of "why should we pay to keep them" - the fact that our justice system is a little short sighted is no justification - there are plenty of things I could think of to do with them that will be cost neutral to the tax payer.
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well then please enlighten me on these "plenty of things" you can think of, i myself am undecided,only for the reason,that if they convict someone "bang to rights" "without question" then top em for me, plus i think there should be "differant" degrees of murder,its a complex issue n without strict boundaries then i stay undecided.
 
Personally, I've no moral qualms about the death penalty. If someone's killed in cold blood, then they've forfeited their right to live, in my eyes. Don't know whether it's a deterrent or not, but even if it could be proved that it isn't, it still wouldn't change my views, as I believe in retributive justice.

However, I still wouldn't be in favour of restoring the death penalty, simply because of the risk of wrongful convictions. A posthumous pardon is no use to anybody! I believe that life should mean life and I would rather keep all cold-blooded murderers in prison for the rest of their lives, with all the attendant expense, than risk one innocent person being sent to the gallows. Therefore, I would be against the death penalty.
 
I am undecided too. However, I do believe that prison life should be such that it deters people from criminal acts.......which, I don't think is the case at present.
Not to have to worry how you are going to keep warm, or where your next meal is coming from, or how to pay the bills that are necessary, must seem like a free ride.
OK, I know these folk are not free to do as they like, so their freedom is taken away....but in some cases it isn't taken away completely.

And the justice system seems crazy sometimes with embezzlers being given tougher sentences than rapists and murderers.

If I had my way I would transport the criminals to some uninhabited island and let them fend for themselves.....they could then work out their own hierarchy of justice, they would have to hunt for food, build their own shelter etc. Best of all they would be away from the society that needs protection from them.
 
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