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shillelagh

shillelagh

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.... that when it comes to the NHS that Scotlands NHS is in a different country and they get more money ... we are in England NHS.

That is according to my consultant today when i asked him how come spuggie got to see an epilepsy nurse etc ..

My reply to him was we are all in Great Britain ... and he smiled.

by the way it is blogged ....:D
 
I think the fact is that in Scotland more is spent by the NHS per population..same as Northern Ireland.
It's something that makes me wonder that if Scotland was declared totally independant and reliant on thier own public spending..would thet have the resources to upkeep spending on education, welfare, and thier own NHS?
 
Mancie said:
I think the fact is that in Scotland more is spent by the NHS per population..same as Northern Ireland.
It's something that makes me wonder that if Scotland was declared totally independant and reliant on thier own public spending..would thet have the resources to upkeep spending on education, welfare, and thier own NHS?
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Quite simply they wouldn't Mancie, that's what makes it so annoying to us lesser mortals living in England today:(
 
jaysay said:
Quite simply they wouldn't Mancie, that's what makes it so annoying to us lesser mortals living in England today:(
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Ok on that basis what is the capital per head in England compared to Scotland and Northern Island? That is not just the NHS but all public spending.
 
in wales everyone gets prescriptions free regardless of if you are working or not etc yet in England we hear of how people are left to die because they are denied life saving drugs because their area medical board wont let them have drugs they need

From April 1st 2007 the NHS prescription charge was abolished for people in Wales.


Who is entitled to free prescriptions?
All patients registered with a Welsh GP, who get their prescriptions from a Welsh pharmacist, will be entitled to free prescriptions.


Welsh patients who have an English GP and who get their prescriptions from a Welsh pharmacist will still be entitled to free prescriptions. They will need to present their prescription with an accompanying entitlement card.


Along with free prescriptions, charges for wigs and appliances will also be abolished. Patients who receive these services from an English NHS Trust should have their costs met by their Local Health Board.

Along with free prescriptions, charges for wigs and appliances will be abolished.
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NHS Wales - NHS Prescription Charges
 
this is supposed to be the United Kingdom, yet stuff like this is what causes friction......prescription charges, parking charges at Hospitals, and the different charges for education.
It is time we were all treated alike.
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
this is supposed to be the United Kingdom, yet stuff like this is what causes friction......prescription charges, parking charges at Hospitals, and the different charges for education.
It is time we were all treated alike.
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True but does it not also show that the devolved parliments have a set of different priorities? Now that certain powers and the money for devolved govenments is no longer at Westminster then they cannot blame Westminster for anything that goes wrong. There will be good, bad, ugly and down right outragous actions done by all in the eyes of some but if what happens in the devolved parliments can edge coerse shame even shock Westminster into following suit then so be it.
 
But where does the money come from?
It isn't raised purely from taxing the population of Scotland....if the Scottish Parliament had to make decisions about spending only what it could raise from its own population then I think things would be radically different.
It is an unfair distribution of resources.
(and this is not a slur against the Scottish people, just an observation of how devolution works unfairly against the English,whose taxes pay for the decisions made by a devolved government)
 
it does actually, the oil revenue more than pays for it.its just we get our priorities in the right order life comes first...:)
 
cmonstanley said:
it does actually, the oil revenue more than pays for it.its just we get our priorities in the right order life comes first...:)
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Can you tell us what amount the oil revenues generate and what the total of expenditure is forecast for the next twelve months for Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
I think if we are talking priorities then figures and the scource of those figures should be forthcoming then we are not second guessing and being mislead.
 
accyman said:
in wales everyone gets prescriptions free regardless of if you are working or not etc yet in England we hear of how people are left to die because they are denied life saving drugs because their area medical board wont let them have drugs they need



NHS Wales - NHS Prescription Charges
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Is in not the case also that prescription charges have now been abolished in Scotland too. Car parking fee i think also was abolished in Wales.
 
Instead of getting negative about the 'apparant injustice',
why not reason that they have more health problems in their population than we do, and so need that extra health provision,
and be glad that they have been given it.

Otherwise you resemble kids in the school yard who resent the fact that their mum has put fewer goodies in their lunch box than their mate's mum has.
 
since there is only 5 million in scotland and theres 8 million in london alone and england has 82% of the total population of britain,i think there is more oil revenue being spent in england than scotland.even more being spent in london than the full of scotland..:)
 
Regardless of what revenue comes from where and the population of the countries are people in need on different incomes in different parts of the United Kingdom? No of course they aren't so why are some allowed free prescriptions, hospital parking and the like while others aren't?
It is the people in power who cause these problems by giving free prescriptions to everyone regardless of their income. As has been mentioned earlier in the thread some people are denied drugs that could keep them alive. So maybe if we all had to pay the same costs the "post code lottery" of being prescribed these life enhancing drugs could be avoided.
 
So if the Scottish Govenment used its additional tax raising powers it has and added an extra couple of pence in the pound to pay for the odds and ends that Scots needed would people still say its unfair? I am not saying that it is a bed of roses in Scotland since devolution nor in Wales or Northern Ireland but it seems that people are taking the same kind of attitude to these constituent countries as they do to ethnic minorities. In a way they have become ethnic minorities in the place that claims to be the United Kingdom. Scotland pays £5 a pop for its perscriptions at the moment but that will be abollished soon. As for hospital parking i am unsure if it is free all over Scotland or not though it is free at F.R.I. at the moment. To be charged to park at a hospital were a loved one is staying due to circumstance or misfortune is just a money making scheme for badly managed accounts at these hospitals.

Cull the so called management and save a few pounds that way. As for perscriptions then make things leaner and meaner in not just the NHS but in the civil sector as a whole. I am sure there are non jobs quangos etc that cost a fortune to help. Lets get back to a free for all NHS if we can. As for a post code lottery on drugs it depends on the number of people ill in an area. Some places that have a populace the same as another and the same budget for NHS treatment might have a higher rate of illness than the other and therefore it is a case of selective treatment for those in the higher illness area.

Just as an after thought on this issue If a relitive with the same build of house with the same cost has a lower council tax bill because they are in a different area would you be up in arms?
 
What annoys me is the fact that MPs representing English constituencies don't get a say on, things like student loans, hospital parking, prescription charges, in Scotland and Wales, yet Scottish and Welsh MPs at Westminster get a vote on the same issues affecting England, how can this be right
 
jaysay said:
What annoys me is the fact that MPs representing English constituencies don't get a say on, things like student loans, hospital parking, prescription charges, in Scotland and Wales, yet Scottish and Welsh MPs at Westminster get a vote on the same issues affecting England, how can this be right
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What about when English MP's decided what was best for These countries because they outnumbered those that represented them? Shoe is on the other foot and it doesnt fit. Scotland was abbused with the test run for the imfamous poll tax and because of being outnumbered Scots MP's couldnt stop it could they. Now that there is devolution in N.Ireland Scotland and Wales England is having to face what these countries had to put up with for centuries. This will continue untill either the UK is broken up into its constituent countries or there is an English on English issues only rule. There are still matters that are not in the remit of the devolved govenments which English MP's have a vote on is there not?
 
SPUGGIE J said:
What about when English MP's decided what was best for These countries because they outnumbered those that represented them? Shoe is on the other foot and it doesnt fit. Scotland was abbused with the test run for the imfamous poll tax and because of being outnumbered Scots MP's couldnt stop it could they. Now that there is devolution in N.Ireland Scotland and Wales England is having to face what these countries had to put up with for centuries. This will continue until either the UK is broken up into its constituent countries or there is an English on English issues only rule. There are still matters that are not in the remit of the devolved govenments which English MP's have a vote on is there not?
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MPs at Westminster can vote on English issues irrespective of where they are from, this is why thee as always been the West Lothian question regarding devolved government, I'm not against it but lets have it on an even keel, with only English MPs voting on English issues
 
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