Divided Kingdom?

shakermaker

shakermaker

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It's 300 years since the United Kingdom was formed and now in true British style we supposedly don't want it anymore.
A poll on Newsnight found that 61% in England, 51% in Scotland and 48% in Wales agreed with the idea of an English Parliament being established.
I agree with the Primeminister on this one, the consequences would be catastrophic upon the Scottish economy and seems completely unnecessary.
What's your thoughts?
 
Hang on, they have their own parliament yet we can't have one of our own?

I was always told, be careful of what you wish, you might just get it.
 
So the Welsh can have one and the Scots can have one but the English can't have one because it would be devastating for the Scottish economy?

Maybe the Scots should have considered that before they wanted their own then!

Actually I may have misunderstood this so if I have I'm willing to stand corrected but isn't it a complete break, dissilution of the Act of Union type thingy that would devastate the Scottish economy? Surely we'd still have Westminster for the lot of us as a whole but a nice little English assembly as well? Maybe the cost of that would be devastating for the English economy!
 
It is wrong.

Scottish MPs can, and do, vote in Westminster on matters that don't apply to Scotland at all.

Devolution, if the Scots and Welsh can have it, should also mean there is an English Assembly. It would probably cost another freakin' fortune, as the Welsh and Scottish ones did, and more bloody pen pushers, but it is only fair.
 
If we're so "united" why do Northern Ireland and Scotland have many laws which differ from those which apply in England and Wales? Why, also, if we are the United Kingdom do our cars have to have GB stickers when they travel abroad instead of UK ones?
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also why can scotland n wales vote on our issues in parliment, but we cant vote on theres? united kingdom my ass.:(
 
Of course we should have an English parliament. Why, exactly, would it be devastating to the Scottish economy? Could it be that the English might start to enjoy some of the benefits that Scotland and Wales already have? Maybe an English Assembly would vote for free (grant-aided) university education like the Scots have, or free prescriptions like the Welsh. Yes, I suppose that would cost Scotland a few bob - as the Scottish prime minister has pointed out. :mad:
 
shakermaker said:
I agree with the Primeminister on this one, the consequences would be catastrophic upon the Scottish economy and seems completely unnecessary.
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Whatever effect it has on the Scottish economy, I don't see why we should go on a moment longer in the ridiculous situation where Scottish MPs can vote on issues which only affect the English population and where the Scots are featherbedded with all sorts of goodies like free University education that are denied to the English.

I actually think that the stumbling incompetent currently at No 10 is exaggerating the effect it will have on the Scottish economy because a combination of failed policies and lies over Iraq and the like is threatening to cause a mass defection of voters from Labour to the SNP!
 
Well I wouldn't hold your breath about getting and English assembly anytime soon, well not until Gordon gets kicked out on his ear at the next election that is. We no longer live in the United Kingdom anyway we are now a member of the federal states of Europe, sold dwn the river by Blair and Brown who renaged on their promise to let the people deside, so much for listening to the public. and for Gordons next trick he's moving cabinate meetngs on the road, whatever that means, that is of course when he's shuffled th deckchairs on the Titanic after the holidays. :(
 
Aint' even read the thread.. that say's alot for my briitish.. the jocks (sweaty socks) can go and get to the park they usually get up on with the buckfast all week. a waste of time.we all know the English rule.
 
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I dont like being part of the european community. I personally think the great britain should be its on continent. We still buy and sell by the pound, not by the euro.

And it should stay that way.
How many people in england class themselves as european? Not me!
 
We could all get our own Parliments..England, Scotland, Wales.. but is it worth it?... We (England) would have to Invade the cavemen all over again.!..and it could be a messy business.. what with all the leeks and half full cans of McKewens strewn over the gaff!
 
Mancie said:
We could all get our own Parliments..England, Scotland, Wales.. but is it worth it?... We (England) would have to Invade the cavemen all over again.!..and it could be a messy business.. what with all the leeks and half full cans of McKewens strewn over the gaff!
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Well If the Jocks and the SS can have their own assemblies so should we and sod the the leeks and empty Mck cans Mancie, we'll put up with um :D
 
I don't see the problem ... Scotland and Wales, like Quebec in Canada, are distinct societies within a larger political group. All our provinces have a great deal of political autonomy; all elect provincial govts and elect members to sit in the federal parilament. For many years now, Quebecois have voted federally for the Bloc Quebecois; and yet provincially they have voted for the Liberal party ... it seems confusing, but it works. Although there are many in Quebec who wish for independence, these separatistes are in the minority; and Quebecers are content to remain in Canada as a distinct society.
 
Eric said:
I don't see the problem ... Scotland and Wales, like Quebec in Canada, are distinct societies within a larger political group. All our provinces have a great deal of political autonomy; all elect provincial govts and elect members to sit in the federal parilament.
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That's the problem here, Eric. Scotland and Wales have independent assemblies and also vote in the larger, British, parliament. England has no such local autonomy.
 
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