Diving Divas

jambutty said:
Now you are being facetious!
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No sorry,I wasn't being facetious,just stating fact.Because of certain issues thats why I'm not watching premiership football anymore,well not 'paying' to go and watch it.I am happilly watching north west counties and next season whats looking like Unibond.There are no premadonnas in there..........Wonder how long it will be before the Anfield faithfull break ranks and do what we have at Old Trafford/Gigg lane?
 
AccyJay said:
Why can't the forth official watch the game from 2 different angle on a split screen monitor? We already know that they are in contact with the ref via an earpiece & mircophone, so they could inform the ref is they see something different. After an incident takes place, there is usually about 30-60 seconds of moaning, why can't this time be used to look at a replay?

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Interesting suggestion but is it practical. Can a person view a split screen like you suggest and determine with any degree of accuracy what he saw?

I think that all that would do is break up the ‘flow’ of the game. But it is worth a shot in the absence of any other ideas.

I’m trying to find a way of keeping the game flowing and also punishing the cheats so that their cheating does not affect the outcome of the match.
 
jambutty said:
Interesting suggestion but is it practical. Can a person view a split screen like you suggest and determine with any degree of accuracy what he saw?

I think that all that would do is break up the ‘flow’ of the game. But it is worth a shot in the absence of any other ideas.

I’m trying to find a way of keeping the game flowing and also punishing the cheats so that their cheating does not affect the outcome of the match.
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Not only that he's supposed to be keeping an eye on each of the teams benches,and making sure no manager or member of coaching staff are doing anything wrong.
 
mthead said:
No sorry,I wasn't being facetious,just stating fact.Because of certain issues thats why I'm not watching premiership football anymore,well not 'paying' to go and watch it.I am happilly watching north west counties and next season whats looking like Unibond.There are no premadonnas in there..........Wonder how long it will be before the Anfield faithfull break ranks and do what we have at Old Trafford/Gigg lane?
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So to me it sounds like you want to start americanising our beautiful game,shall we have the halves made into quarters to to raise a bit more revenue on advertisements.Just like what Sky have done 'Glazer' at my club and probably what 'Gillett' will do at Anfield.It will Kill off for good our game.
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Maybe you should look up the meaning of facetious? Teasing, tongue in cheek, is how my dictionary describes it.
 
jambutty said:
I’m trying to find a way of keeping the game flowing and also punishing the cheats so that their cheating does not affect the outcome of the match.
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If you were to punish the cheats by way of video evidence after the match, you could do as follows:

1st offence - 1 game ban.
2nd offence - 2 game ban.
3rd offence - 4 match ban.
4th offence - 8 match ban.

etc etc.

Each offence doubles from the previous one. I think a lot of managers would soon get fed up with the so called star strikers, if they were continually diving, & therefore missing a large part of the season.
 
mthead said:
Not only that he's supposed to be keeping an eye on each of the teams benches,and making sure no manager or member of coaching staff are doing anything wrong.
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How about a 5th official then? Or a video monitor observer?

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jambutty said:
You may consider that there is no practical solution to diving but others do not share your view. They are at least prepared to discuss the issue and not dismiss it out of hand.
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Ok.

The proposed argument to bring in video replays would slow the game down too much (thus taking away a very large percentage of money being put into the game). Replays for diving, replays for offsides, replays for free-kicks, replays for penalties, replays for throw-ins, replays for corner kicks etc etc. Where does it stop?

Your suggestions are well thought out Jambutty, however involve a lot of erasing the past. It can not be judged by panel anywhere that had the 'illegal goal' not been given by the referee, then the rest of the game would've had the same result, just minus that goal. Thus making football a laughable spectacle full of panels and hearings arguing about the past.

Football's flaws make it the exciting, electric game that it is week in week out, attempting to eradicate them all would make the game dull and lifeless.
 
mthead said:
Not only that he's supposed to be keeping an eye on each of the teams benches,and making sure no manager or member of coaching staff are doing anything wrong.
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Not forgetting keeping an eye on ‘wasted’ time.
 
jambutty said:
Maybe you should look up the meaning of facetious? Teasing, tongue in cheek, is how my dictionary describes it.
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Like I said I was stating fact.Sky started the demise with giving more money to the rich clubs.Then came 'The Russian' at Chelski,then 'The Gnome'at Old Trafford and another 'Yank' at Anfield with Gillett.I feel slowly but surely our game is being slowly choked by foreign investment.:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
shakermaker said:
Ok.

The proposed argument to bring in video replays would slow the game down too much (thus taking away a very large percentage of money being put into the game). Replays for diving, replays for offsides, replays for free-kicks, replays for penalties, replays for throw-ins, replays for corner kicks etc etc. Where does it stop?

Your suggestions are well thought out Jambutty, however involve a lot of erasing the past. It can not be judged by panel anywhere that had the 'illegal goal' not been given by the referee, then the rest of the game would've had the same result, just minus that goal. Thus making football a laughable spectacle full of panels and hearings arguing about the past.

Football's flaws make it the exciting, electric game that it is week in week out, attempting to eradicate them all would make the game dull and lifeless.
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I understand that it may seem like this. But, to just sit back & accept it as it is now is silly. Something has to be done, maybe a little bit at a time.
 
AccyJay said:
If you were to punish the cheats by way of video evidence after the match, you could do as follows:

1st offence - 1 game ban.
2nd offence - 2 game ban.
3rd offence - 4 match ban.
4th offence - 8 match ban.

etc etc.

Each offence doubles from the previous one. I think a lot of managers would soon get fed up with the so called star strikers, if they were continually diving, & therefore missing a large part of the season.
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Another interesting suggestion but it doesn’t really address the team being sinned against.

For example a player dives in the box gets a penalty and a goal is scored and the team go on to win by that goal. So the diver gets banned for a while and that may affect a result against future teams that his team plays. In the meantime the team that had the ‘illegal’ goal scored against them gets no retribution at all. Not fair to them is it?
 
No Jambutty but it will be 'swings and roundabouts' plus if this sort of thing came in to force it would limit the number of divers long term until it wasn't so much an issue.
 
jambutty said:
Another interesting suggestion but it doesn’t really address the team being sinned against.

For example a player dives in the box gets a penalty and a goal is scored and the team go on to win by that goal. So the diver gets banned for a while and that may affect a result against future teams that his team plays. In the meantime the team that had the ‘illegal’ goal scored against them gets no retribution at all. Not fair to them is it?
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No, it's not fair to them. But maybe you're team could be playing against somebody whose main goal threat is banned for diving. Thus tipping the balance in your favour slightly.
 
jambutty said:
Or perhaps 3 ex-referees?
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Where are all these ex-referees going to come from ? There is already one ex-referee at each game as an assessor.

In a few years time they will be lucky to have enough referees for all levels of senior football in this country.The number of games without referees at grass roots level is already over 20% every weekend now. The constant abuse they get and video scrutiny will only increase that percentage, eventually upper levels of the game will feel the knock on from this.
 
lancsdave said:
Where are all these ex-referees going to come from ? There is already one ex-referee at each game as an assessor.

In a few years time they will be lucky to have enough referees for all levels of senior football in this country.The number of games without referees at grass roots level is already over 20% every weekend now. The constant abuse they get and video scrutiny will only increase that percentage, eventually upper levels of the game will feel the knock on from this.
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You should put yourself forward Dave:D Do you recon you could put up with it again?:D
 
lancsdave said:
Where are all these ex-referees going to come from ? There is already one ex-referee at each game as an assessor.

In a few years time they will be lucky to have enough referees for all levels of senior football in this country.The number of games without referees at grass roots level is already over 20% every weekend now. The constant abuse they get and video scrutiny will only increase that percentage, eventually upper levels of the game will feel the knock on from this.
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You say where will this money come from, but have we not just had an announcement from Sky that they are putting even more money into the game? Some of this money shoud therefore be given to the referees in their pay packet. In most other occupations, if you do a demanding job, you get a decent wage for it. This could act as an incentive to get more referees at the grass roots level.

:)
 
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