DNA Sampling in Schools

Tinkerbelle

Tinkerbelle

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Today my daughter took part in a science exhibition in school. Part of the exhibition was a talk by the community beat manager PC Mick Walsh. He was showing the kids how DNA samples were taken and each child gave a sample. Now, PC Walsh said the samples would be thrown away afterwards BUT it got me thinking, it would be a good idea mass screening of the kids whilst in school in a similar sort of way and actually keep them on record. The crimes that could be solved in years to come would be phenomenal. Of course parents would have to consent but I can't see why any parents would object. What do you lot think?
 
I've thought similar thoughts.

Why aren't babies DNA samples taken at birth?

Not much use now, but in future it would be a great help if there was a national data base with everyone on. It would give a much more accurate process than relying on dental records for certain cases.

Much more useful than bloody i-d cards.
 
You can't see any reason to object??

How about our liberties. Whos to say some future government might use thgat database for its own needs. They could start compiling other information along with DNA. Do you really want some mass database that the government can use/sell to private companies?
 
In fact instead of wasting money on i-d cards that can be forged, I think it would be a good idea if mass screening was introduced now.


Just think of all the benefits if everyone was on a national data base, and everyone who entered the UK was too. Abandoned babies could be traced, rapists could be named and hopefully caught quicker, even paternity cases could be dealt with more quickly.

I don't think our civil rights would be infringed. The only people who would object would be the criminals and the heedless men who don't want to pay for thei own offspring.
 
Cyfr said:
You can't see any reason to object??

How about our liberties. Whos to say some future government might use thgat database for its own needs. They could start compiling other information along with DNA. Do you really want some mass database that the government can use/sell to private companies?
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I can see an argument that i-d cards may infringe civil liberties, but who besides those with something to hide could possibily complain?

I bet the relatives of the victims of 9/11, many of who will never be identified, wished they had it, so they could at least put a few shards of bones in a grave they could visit.
 
garinda said:
In fact instead of wasting money on i-d cards that can be forged, I think it would be a good idea if mass screening was introduced now.


Just think of all the benefits if everyone was on a national data base, and everyone who entered the UK was too. Abandoned babies could be traced, rapists could be named and hopefully caught quicker, even paternity cases could be dealt with more quickly.

I don't think our civil rights would be infringed. The only people who would object would be the criminals and the heedless men who don't want to pay for thei own offspring.
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Here here!!!!!!!!!!! i totally agree:D
 
Sorry Cyfr but I think the benefits of mass screening, for reasons such as the ones Rind has pointed out, far out-weigh any need to be protected from any under-handedness trick our Government might pull.
 
Cyfr said:
You can't see any reason to object??

Whos to say some future government might use thgat database for its own needs. They could start compiling other information along with DNA. Do you really want some mass database that the government can use/sell to private companies?
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So you reckon the Conservatives will get in then do you?
:D
 
They wouldnt do it because on the cost of making the profiles. Then as stated there are those that would shout about liberties. If all kids profiles being on file it would have the benifit not just of ID'ing a criminal, identify a remains as Rindy said and would save a lot of hassle in disputed paternaty cases. If they want a copy on file of my DNA they can have it and I do not object to ID cards either I have nothing to hide. Some may see it as BIG BROTHER but the positives do outweigh the negatives. Criminals would think twice if their DNA record was on file because at the end of the day it only takes a minor error on a criminals part to leave DNA behind.
 
Tinkerbelle said:
Of course parents would have to consent but I can't see why any parents would object. What do you lot think?
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Wouldn't the individual also have to give consent on reaching the age of 18? Back to sqaure 1.
 
AccyJay said:
Wouldn't the individual also have to give consent on reaching the age of 18? Back to sqaure 1.
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That's true, to legislate it would have to be compulsory without parental consent, best with Rinds idea do screen them as babies.
 
What fun you could have comparing babies DNA with daddies to see if mummy has been a naughty girl :D
 
Neil said:
What fun you could have comparing babies DNA with daddies to see if mummy has been a naughty girl :D
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Just because your little Emily is growing into a beautiful blond child, don't start blaming me.;)
 
garinda said:
Just think of all the benefits if everyone was on a national data base, and everyone who entered the UK was too. Abandoned babies could be traced, rapists could be named and hopefully caught quicker, even paternity cases could be dealt with more quickly.

I don't think our civil rights would be infringed. The only people who would object would be the criminals and the heedless men who don't want to pay for thei own offspring.
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Im sorry but i really object to it. If I handed in my DNA now and if they could run it against ah existing database of unsolved crimes im sure they wouldn't find anything, and yet im completly against this being put in to action.

If you use the logic of 'only people against it are those who have commited crimes' I can quite easily apply it to the following:

Chipping everyone so you know where they are 100% of the time. Having video cameras in everyones house. Of course, nothing will be done unless you break the law, and then you deserve it... but thats really not at all the point. I certainly would not like my privacy infringed in such a way, and yet it uses the same basic argument.

Ps. Im not *completly* disagreeing with the DNA Database PLAN. But I am disagreeing because the government or somebody else could easily misuse such a mass database.
 
Cyfr said:
Im sorry but i really object to it. If I handed in my DNA now and if they could run it against ah existing database of unsolved crimes im sure they wouldn't find anything, and yet im completly against this being put in to action.
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I bet you would think differently if someone had mutilated your wifes corpse after sexually assaulting and murdering her.
 
Neil said:
I bet you would think differently if someone had mutilated your wifes corpse after sexually assaulting and murdering her.
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That no doubt would be a different matter. Then the perp could argue exactly the same as to why they shouldnt give DNA.
 
Cyfr said:
Im sorry but i really object to it. If I handed in my DNA now and if they could run it against ah existing database of unsolved crimes im sure they wouldn't find anything, and yet im completly against this being put in to action.

If you use the logic of 'only people against it are those who have commited crimes' I can quite easily apply it to the following:

Chipping everyone so you know where they are 100% of the time. Having video cameras in everyones house. Of course, nothing will be done unless you break the law, and then you deserve it... but thats really not at all the point. I certainly would not like my privacy infringed in such a way, and yet it uses the same basic argument.

Ps. Im not *completly* disagreeing with the DNA Database PLAN. But I am disagreeing because the government or somebody else could easily misuse such a mass database.
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No, still totally disagree with you.

As the resident wooly liberal on here, and the first to bang on about the errosion of civil liberties, a national data base of DNA for everyone in the country can only be for the good.

What are your fears about its possible missuse? You don't really say, just talk about CCTV in everyone's home, which is a little bit of an hysterical reaction if you ask me.

By the way, from lots of things you've posted about your views on differing subjects on here, you won't be a Conservative for much longer. I'm not being patronisinmg by saying that, just that you are way to sensitive and caring.;)
 
This is totally out of order. I worked for the Police for thirteen years and remember the whole DNA thingy being set up. Parents have to consent and a solicitor should be present. The Police cannot authorize a test unless a crime has been committed.

Go and complain, your children don't need this.
 
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