EFL Trophy

accybeme said:
can't see how any lower league team could vote in favour but apparently Oxford and majority the did
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It will be for money. Just like everything at the top of football just now and lower clubs will be hoping teams from big clubs draw big crowds.

Next thing will be that the trial will be a success and the looney tunes idea suggested of premier reserves in the lower leagues will come to pass.
 
accybeme said:
can't see how any lower league team could vote in favour but apparently Oxford and majority the did
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the attendance figures at JPT games compared to league and FA cup games are low until the regional semi finals.

With premier league clubs sending B teams, you will possibly have a lot more away fans and a nice earner for what use to be a fixture where clubs may have lost money.
 
DAV007 said:
With premier league clubs sending B teams, you will possibly have a lot more away fans and a nice earner for what use to be a fixture where clubs may have lost money.
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Not so sure about that, Davo.
Clubs like Stanley need fans who can be persuaded to come regularly, not 'one-off' earners in a cup in which League 2 teams will have even less chance of progressing.
I once (never again!) went with a work colleague to see Reading v Arsenal U21s, played at Basingstoke Town's ground. Firstly, the football was turgidly predictable, with neither team willing to do anything that 'risked' losing the ball or an injury. Secondly, whilst there was a few hundred there, I don't believe there were many true 'away' fans. Most of them were Basingstoke fathers with kids who 'support' Arsenal (i.e. watch Sky). I don't think there were many, if any, North London residents who'd made the arduous journey to Basingstoke.
So if Stanley drew, say, Everton U21s, I suspect the only extra money Stanley would earn is from the odd (very odd;)) local residents who 'support' Everton and otherwise might rarely get to watch The Toffees. Doubt if there'll be many true 'away' fans.
More likely this is 'tester' to see how Academy teams compare with the lower League teams and, if they can hold their own or better, then don't be surprised if the 'extra' 20 teams that will make up the proposed 5th Division are Premier League Academies.
 
Personally, I don't like this proposal as I feel it is being used by these bigger clubs and fat cats to "test the water" as a precursor in regard to trying to potentially place academy teams within the Football League Pyramid.:mad:

Its bad enough that the academy status has four levels where the fat cats can cream off the best of the talent pool for a pittance. To then have them push these players back onto the rest of the Football League in whatever format, whether it be by this "proposal" or "experiment" or any future proposal or idea stinks.

They (big clubs ) swallow up all the obscene amounts of T.V. money and we as lower league clubs have to fight over the scraps that fall from the top table. All this while paying foreigners ridiculous wages.:mad:

A better idea would be to limit the number of foreign players allowed to play in their teams, thus forcing them to play homegrown talent as they do in the Bundesliga where the German F.A. adopt a similar ruling.:confused:

I won't attend any game in the Paint Pot Cup next season out of principle. If ever the day comes when Academy sides are allowed to compete in the Football League, then I'm afraid that is the day when my love of the game will probably be fatally damaged.:(
 
carpon said:
If ever the day comes when Academy sides are allowed to compete in the Football League, then I'm afraid that is the day when my love of the game will probably be fatally damaged.:(
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Ditto Carpon. I've watched Stanley man and boy for 30 odd years, and what drives me as, a lower league fan, is aspiration and faith in the pyramid system. If big clubs were allowed to enter 2nd rate teams into OUR competitions then I would withdraw my support for football entirely.

Lancashire Cup matches against Liverpool and Man Utd either drew next to nothing crowds or were played on Arden Hall in the afternoon. How thrilling.

I WILL go to the home matches against proper teams in the JPT, but they can shove their academy games up their collective arses
 
maccawozzagod said:
If big clubs were allowed to enter 2nd rate teams into OUR competitions /QUOTE]

One problem, Macca, is that they may not be that 2nd rate.
The Premier League rules run to hundreds and hundreds of pages but I think Academy teams are for players under 21 BUT can also contain one older goalkeeper and between 3 and 5 other older players.
So an Academy team could have just seven youngsters (all of whom will have come through the system since they were tots, and will be potentially good players) and five seasoned pros who either don't get much first team minutes or are coming back from injury.
One of the main points of the Paint Pot, and its previous incarnations, was surely the chance for League 1 and 2 teams to get to Wembley. I know that 'going to Wembley' has been much debased by the FA (needing to service its debts for building the stadium) but this change will make the chances of getting to Wembley for a small club about the same odds as in the FA Cup but without any of the financial return the latter competition brings.
Petitions from fans won't change anything, particularly one so tersely worded as this one, but there may be more effect if a good number of clubs simply boycotted the EFL Trophy and thus devalued it for its sponsor. Which business wants to be associated with a discredited product?
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Done, it was on twitter with a link to the audioboom, I don't agree much with our MD says But he has spoken sense on this one, That is not hard I know. However the small crowds we get will be even less over the season. Even Andy Holt says there is no financial gain for the clubs until at least the quarter finals. It will kill a lot of small league clubs as people will simply get out of the habit of going.
 
The radio Lancashire interviewer can't remember Stanley playing in the FLT when in the conference then?

Holt doesn't want it as "it doesn't feel right" and 4 League 2 teams voted against it, well 3 or 4 from what Holt said. Maybe better staying quiet, it is a trial, so just let it run its course I reckon. If Stanley win it the prize money has doubled, and the better development squad players will be out on loan, so I don't think it becomes a lot harder to win.
 
Sorry don’t agree, this so called EFL trophy trial is just a feeler for the full introduction of upper league teams under 21s squads to enter the football league, the full implications of just a trial are the first steps on a journey to reality, the upper league clubs would like to see their under 21s infiltrating the football league which would inevitably result in some lower league clubs relegated to non-league status, how can this be good for clubs like ours
 
EFL Trophy: Format confirmed for 2016/17

The EFL has confirmed the format of the EFL Trophy 2016/17 which, for the first time, will include 16 invited teams from clubs with Category One Academies.
A total of 64 clubs will compete in the competition beginning with 16 groups of four teams, each of which will include at least one club from each of Leagues One and Two, along with one invited team. The top two sides in each group will then go into a knockout stage that will culminate in a showpiece final at Wembley Stadium on April 2.

The new look competition will also have an enhanced prize fund with an expected £1.95m being up for grabs, including £10,000 per win and £5,000 per draw during the Group Stage and £100,000 for the eventual winner.

The first 16 clubs with Category One Academies that have been invited to take part in the EFL Trophy 2016/17 are Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Leicester City, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Middlesbrough, Newcastle United, Southampton, Stoke City, Sunderland, Swansea City, Tottenham Hotspur, West Bromwich Albion and West Ham United.

EFL Chief Executive, Shaun Harvey said: "The new format is intended to rejuvenate this competition and also assist the development of the very best young players in English football. This will help us deliver more and better home grown players which will deliver benefits to the national team and domestic league football at all levels.

"I believe this is the right time to pilot these changes to the EFL Trophy, which we will review at the end of the 2016/17 season following discussions with our clubs and having consulted with the other football bodies and supporter organisations."

A Premier League spokesman said: "The overriding aim of the Elite Player Performance Plan across the Premier League and English Football League is to produce more and better home grown players capable of performing at first team and international levels.

"Participation for a selection of Premier League clubs' teams to take part in the EFL Trophy is an important part of a range developments that both we and the EFL believe will help young, talented players progress physically and mentally on top of the technical aspect of their game developed in the Academy system.

"It is a progressive move by both leagues; one that we welcome."

Competition format

Clubs:

- 48 clubs from League One & Two.

- 16 invited Category One Academy teams.

Eligibility Criteria:

- EFL Clubs – a minimum of 5 ‘First Team’ players in the starting 11 as defined under the competition’s existing rules.

- Invited Clubs – 6 of the starting 11 to be U21 (as at June 30).

Group Stage:

- 16 groups of 4 teams organised on a regionalised basis.

- Groups to include one invited club and at least one club from each of Leagues One & Two.

- Clubs to play each other once, either home or away. Invited clubs will play one home game at the club’s first team stadium.

- Clubs will be awarded 3 points for a win and 1 point for a draw. In the event of a drawn game (after 90 minutes), a penalty shootout will be held with the winning team earning an additional point.

- The top two teams will progress to the Knockout Stage.

Knockout Stage:

- Round 2 (32 teams) will remain regionalised with each group winner being drawn at home to a second placed team from a different qualifying group.

- Round 3 (16 teams) and Round 4 (8 teams) will be ‘free’ draws.

- Semi-finals (4 teams) will be a 'free’ draw and will consist of single ties played at the stadium of the club drawn first in each tie.

- If scores are level after 90 minutes in Rounds 2, 3 and 4, the game will be determined by the taking of penalties. The EFL will confirm arrangements for the Semi-Finals and Final in due course following further consultation.

Dates:

- Group Stage
- w/c 29th August 2016
- w/c 3rd October 2016
- w/c 7th November 2016

- Round 2 - w/c 5th December 2016
- Round 3 - w/c 9th January 2017
- Round 4 - w/c 23rd January 2017
- Semi- Final - w/c 20th February 2017
- Final - 2nd April 2017 (Wembley Stadium)

The date of the draw for the group stage will be announced in due course.

Match Proceeds:

After deduction of match expenses, all proceeds will be split:
- 45% Home Club
- 45% Away Club
- 10% to the pool account

Invited clubs will donate all or some of their share of gate receipts to a fund that will be shared equally by League One and Two clubs.

Group Stage - Invited Clubs will donate their 45% share to the fund.
Knockout Stage - Invited Clubs will retain 25% of their share and donate 20% to the fund.
Semi-finals & Final - Invited Clubs will retain 30% of their share and donate 15% to the fund.

Read more at EFL Trophy: Format confirmed for 2016/17
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I think we're mixing 2 cups together here

I might be wrong but there's an EFL Cup and an EFL Trophy. The Bradford game at £20 is the old League Cup
 
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