Execution in Iraq

Acrylic-bob said:
The King James Version as far as I am aware, which I picked up from a mormon site.
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Well that is the first English translation and the one I prefer to use. I once toyed with the idea of trying to learn to read the older things like Latin or even Hebrew/Greek but never got very far with that. I used to know a man who went to Cannon St Baptist church many years ago (He's dead now) and he was a great scholar, had studies lots of 'original text' and knew a great deal of background. He was amazing to talk to. Of course the Greek wasn't even original either because Jesus and his companions spoke Aramaic.

Of course to really understand you have to keep the verses in context. It's possible to make things say anything you like if you string a few bits together out of context. If you travel on a bit further from the verse about the sword you'll find that they had 2 and Jesus said that was enough - but later in Gethsemane when one was used to chop off the ear of a Roman soldier, he restored the ear. So he wasn't telling the disciples to attack the Romans by the look of that.

What was the site you were looking at?
 
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>>Of course to really understand you have to keep the verses in context. It's possible to make things say anything you like if you string a few bits together out of context.<<

Exactly! This little exercise shows how careful we all have to be. I'm sorry if I offended anyones sensibilities. That wasn't my intention. It is what is in your heart that matters and how you order your life by it , not what is on the page.

It doesn't take the world's greatest intellect to divine what is in the hearts of the barbarians who currently hold Ken Bigley hostage. Though sometimes it is difficult to sort through their wilful mangling of the truth. Sadly, it is not only the barbarians who are prepared to mangle the truth to suit their ends.

There is another pertinent quote from the New Testament which may serve us all well in the coming days and years, Matt 7:16

"By their fruits shall ye know them."

 
There's another good one after that too and I'll risk quoting this out of context myself:

"Not everyone that saith unto me "Lord Lord" shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven..............."
 
Gobsmacked said:
Not even in a new thread? I don't see anyone else objecting. Funnily enough it hasn't even been objected to by moderators as a threadwander. Perhaps it had a valid place in the general theme of the discussion.
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Sorry Gobsmacked...That was not my point or intention. What I meant was: "that discussion of that subject was endless and wouldn't go anywhere. There has been enough talking about Protestants and Catholics...IRA - UDA for several generations and it goes absolutely nowhere".
 
WillowTheWhisp said:
There's another good one after that too and I'll risk quoting this out of context myself:

"Not everyone that saith unto me "Lord Lord" shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven..............."
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Sorry Willow, I know you mean well, but...
Please............... lets not have any quotes from the Bible...we get nowhere, and they are as endless as religion is!! And prove very little!
 
Darby said:
Sorry Willow, I know you mean well, but...
Please............... lets not have any quotes from the Bible...we get nowhere, and they are as endless as religion is!! And prove very little!
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Unless of course Darby, This Book which has survived and been distributed more than any other, Was written by the Creator(yes using men to hold the pens) of all that is in the universe, and contained instruction's on how HE want's us to aim our live's ?? If that was true would it not be worth considering?? :)

P.s Any religion that goes to war or carries on in any act's of terror can not have Gods approval can it. since he condem's such act's in his instruction book. So any such Religion can be descarded as False.. :)

Only my opinion ;)
 
Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's Simon and good to hear.

Alas there are those who will always disagree and it is their choice to do so. We just have to accept that. They will no more convince me that my beliefs are pointless any more than I am likely to convince them that they aren't. I just hope they don't get mad at me in the end for not trying hard enough.
 
What do we now make of the news that Ken Bigley's brother has had his home in Amsterdam Raided by British And Dutch Intelligence who copied the contents of his computer and compelled him to sign a five page report on what they found?
 
What indeed? From what I heard on the radio this morning he is apparently complaining that the police investigation is hampering his attempts to rescue his brother. Very interesting. I've also found it strange that the two Americans were executed (I use the term loosely because I honestly would prefer to use "murdered") almost immediately and yet no further action seems to have been taken against Ken Bigley.
 
It was announced by the BBC this evening that Ken Bigley was executed in Latifiah in Iraq yesterday afternoon.

I am sure that all our sympathy and prayers are with his family on this terrible evening.

For his murderers I have nothing but absolute contempt. I scorn their aims and objectives. They are without honour. They are not men. They are cowards and fools.
They are despicable, revolting, disgusting and lower than animals.

I, for one, will hear no attempt to excuse nor explain their actions, and anyone who attempts such, I will tar with the same brush!
 
Terrible news. It chills me to the bone when I think about the manner in whihc he was murdered - yes..murdered not executed.

Full marks must go to the Spanish and Italian governments for giving in to terrorists and showing them the green light as their actions have put every innocent person under threat. It goes to show how beyond reach these disgusting people are when they ignore pleas from those who share their faith - albeit a shared faith in name only as what these scum-stricken pieces of grief claim to do in the name of Allah has nothing to do with Islam.

I hope that people dont turn this whole sorry episode into a tool for scoring political points however - Blair and his Government did all they could to gain Mr.Bigleys release bar give in to the terrorists demands...a course of action that could never have been taken. I feel for the family of Mr.Bigley and may he be at peace now after his terrible ordeal, but I also feel for Blair and his government as they must feel an overpowering sense of guilt. However...there is no one responsible for Mr.Bigleys death apart from the satan-spawned filth who murdered him.
 
I agree with all here. My thoughts are with the Bigley Family.
One of the brothers pleaded with the press and media to give the family space. Lets hope they do and let them grieve (spelling) as they should be allowed to.
 
Ceejache said:
Terrible news. It chills me to the bone when I think about the manner in whihc he was murdered - yes..murdered not executed.

Full marks must go to the Spanish and Italian governments for giving in to terrorists and showing them the green light as their actions have put every innocent person under threat. It goes to show how beyond reach these disgusting people are when they ignore pleas from those who share their faith - albeit a shared faith in name only as what these scum-stricken pieces of grief claim to do in the name of Allah has nothing to do with Islam.

I hope that people dont turn this whole sorry episode into a tool for scoring political points however - Blair and his Government did all they could to gain Mr.Bigleys release bar give in to the terrorists demands...a course of action that could never have been taken. I feel for the family of Mr.Bigley and may he be at peace now after his terrible ordeal, but I also feel for Blair and his government as they must feel an overpowering sense of guilt. However...there is no one responsible for Mr.Bigleys death apart from the satan-spawned filth who murdered him.
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Yes you speak truth about this whole thing. It is murder and people who do it dont take no notice of anybody else. What they do this for is not a bargaining or hostage its just to get worlds attention and I said before just what you saying now. These people say they are Moslem but this is not Islam. Busman said Moslems have got to talk to them and tell them stop but I said they dont listen to leaders who will say that because they dont look to them leaders they lsiteniong to there own interpretation. This is proof and you can see it Ceejache with saying here like you do THIS IS NOT ISLAM. They think if they do it in the name of Allah that makes it Islam but no no very much no. I dont think Blair or any other can get to these kind. They dont want to talk. Its not about that.Leaders did all they could do but these who kidnapped and murder dont want talk. Now it is over for one more man who is next? They will do again. Dont tell me I have to stop it. How can anybody stop it? Maybe only Allah can stop it. I seen here Simon and Willow have Christian faith. My admiration goes to you for that.

This is a sad and bad thing. I cannot say any more.
 
I can't imagine what that family must have been going through these past 3 weeks and hoping against hope that they'd be able to secure his release.

To know what a horrendous death he suffered must be terrible. I don't know how the world can deal with these kidnappers but something must be done somehow.

I too hope the family can be left alone to grieve in peace. and my prayers are with them.
 
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