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If governments were really serious about renewable environmentally friendly energy sources then they would be having photovoltaic panels fitted to all new houses being built so that they could generate thier own electricty and any left over goes to the national grid....and those older houses that wanted to fit enegy panels would qualify for a grant to do this.
Anything over capacity generated would just go to the national grid(nothing paid to the owner of the house - if you got a grant to install the panels then this is your payback)
The cost of electricity might then fall and everyone would benefit.
Now, wouldn't that be great?

That is why I see this green agenda as being one big con...with the aim of taking money from our pockets for ridiculous schemes
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
I am of the opinion that the roll out of smart meters is just so that energy companies can terminate a supply remotely if the need should arise....like when the time comes that there is just not enough to go around.
I am also very incomfortable with the fact that our energy supplies lay in the hands of foreigners.
Our energy companies should always be in British hands.
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You are right to consider that there is a plan behind the smart meters but its not to simply switch you off when there is not enough to go round. Its a bit more subtle than that. Smart meters can be made to talk to your ‘smart’ appliances such as your fridge, washing machine, car, vacuum cleaner etc., so that your house can participle in the smoothing out of peak supply demands. For example your fridge could be switch off during the advert breaks in Coronation Street to compensate for the kettle you switched on to make a cuppa, ditto the charging circuit in your battery powered vacuum cleaner. More subtle is the things it can do with your electric car which contains a big battery. During times of very high demand power could be taken from your car and fed into the grid and (hopefully) put back later before you go out in it. This of course is true for all things which have a big battery. Ever wondered why solar panel setups contain a battery and the facility to put power into the grid, its not just for the convenience of the house holder! Thats the future, its not quite there yet but its moving in that direction and is very much the plan that certain people want to implement.
 
I do not have any appliances that use smart technology(and possibly never will have such items)....and I won't be having a smart meter either.
The smart meter is nothing to do with making improvements for the customer, but everything to do with benefits to the utility company.

As for the large batteries in the PV solar panels, I thought these were for storing electricty during times when there is little/no light(at night...though even street lights would provide a little bit of power).

As to my previous post. I know that the government had a system of grants for householders to fit solar panels....and that they would get something back for any electricty which went to the national grid....but in 2016(I think) the tariff for this feed in was cut by 84%.
This was later changed to 67%....so it meant that fewer people took up the offer.

If all homes that were suitable were offered grants...actively by mail shots.....but the terms and conditions were that no money was paid to the homeowner for the excess electricty produced...then surely those homes which were unsuitable for the scheme would benefit by a fall in the cost of their power.

Now I know that these panel are delicate and home insurers would probably make mileage on this so let's have the government sponsor the insurance for such homes.

It will never happen because the governments(of all persuasions) are not serious about clean energy.
 
Margaret, don't think Britain, think Global. Britain isn't the best place for solar panels. I'm not saying they don't work just that in many other places, like say Italy or Florida they work much better. Any way its easier to 'persuade' people to buy electric cars. The real trick is to get lots of battries out there, it doesn't matter what they are in, all that matters is their storage. Get that storage and you don't have to build more big pump storage schemes like those in Scotland and Wales. Have a little look at the musings of Tesla's Elon Musk and his various companies press releases.
 
I guess it depends on the type of Solar panels.
you can generate power from any light...OK so the climate here is not the best but even on winter days there is still a level of light which would generate some power...and it would be as efficient as the current sources which are deemed clean.
I know a little about the work of Nikola Tesla...but I will look at what you suggested.

There is no doubt in my mind that there needs to be a wider consideration of option for producing energy....but I do not swallow the green agenda that we are being fed.
 
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Ah...got it you were referring to the TESLA 3 electric vehicle, rather than the work of the genius Nikolas Tesla.

And i thought I had heard the name Elon Musk before...he was the guy who started PayPal (I think).
 
st06nc2 said:
You can run cars on poo, and coffee and used fat, there is a lot of better possibilities than electric, at least with used fat your car will smell of chips or chicken as your driving
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Very small scale used fat is ok but not enough for us all to use. I ran my car of new vegetable oil for a few months several years ago. It was smoother and quieter at low revs with slightly less power at motorway speeds. We can't grow enough for that to be a viable solution either.

When they smell of chips it's not a nice smell
 
I do not think I am alone in these thoughts.
How is it we can put a man on the moon, but yet getting over petrol/diesel driven transport is beyond us?

When thinking of transport we need to consider the movement of goods.
Can you see large container lorries being powered by electric?
No - neither can I.
And then there is the thorny problem of disposing of the many worn out batteries over the years.
These are not small things to dispose of....so where do they go?

All of these things should be being investigated...as should ALL alternative forms of powering our domestic and industrial needs.
That is, of course, unless we really want to go back to the stone age.
 
Neil said:
Very small scale used fat is ok but not enough for us all to use. I ran my car of new vegetable oil for a few months several years ago. It was smoother and quieter at low revs with slightly less power at motorway speeds. We can't grow enough for that to be a viable solution either.

When they smell of chips it's not a nice smell
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McDonald's run all there lorises on reused fat from their resteraunts, I don't see how it can't be brought in on a mass scale, or make cars steam powered and run them on water
 
st06nc2 said:
McDonald's run all there lorises on reused fat from their resteraunts, I don't see how it can't be brought in on a mass scale, or make cars steam powered and run them on water
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We can't grow enough sunflower or whatever oil you chose for every car in the world to run on.

How would you heat the water to produce the steam?
 
Barrie Yates said:
That is how to produce Hydrogen and you would also get Oxygen as a by-product.
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Never ending supply of hydrogen. Sea levels are rising, heat that up and we'll get hydrogen, more oxygen in the atmosphere, and more salt to put on the roads all while reducing sea levels, global warming solved
 
st06nc2 said:
Never ending supply of hydrogen. Sea levels are rising, heat that up and we'll get hydrogen, more oxygen in the atmosphere, and more salt to put on the roads all while reducing sea levels, global warming solved
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I didn't think you could use sea water to produce hydrogen.
The salt breaks down into sulphuric acid and chlorine...but if you know different then I am ready to be educated.
 
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