Exit Polls
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Yes, I quite agree, but the only way to prevent double voting & various other fraudulent activities is .... registration & personal ID, be that finger print scan, retinal scan or ID issued from a central office with your unique number & all linked to a central records office.
Fakes & forgeries would be picked up straight away when scanned as they wouldn't be on the database! But, as soon as you mention any of the above as a way of securing our society & its running you are immediately stonewalled & confronted with the frothing civil liberties & human rights acolytes bleating ad nausea!
And if not the usual suspects, there are also those among the populace who really don't want these measures for whatever their reasons are. But if absolute security is what you're wanting ..... well sooner or later folk will have to accept the above choices or we'll still be in the same rut x years down the line complaining about the same issues!
OH NO...NOT the ID thing again!
I am not entering into this debate.
I have said my piece about ID....nothing has changed that makes me re-evaluate my position.
I am not entering into this debate.
I have said my piece about ID....nothing has changed that makes me re-evaluate my position.
Yes Son...such is life.
And I am NOT changing!
Accyweb where you can get lessons in Latin(although the rules DO forbid the use of foreign language posts)
And I am NOT changing!
Accyweb where you can get lessons in Latin(although the rules DO forbid the use of foreign language posts)
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Quite, but you'll find Latin is prevalent throughout the English language, especially legaleese ergo lays within the parameters of our native tongue ad hoc its usage. Hence this A.M, (Anti Meridiem), I've chosen to highlight certain phrases to show their inextricable link with our modern English i.e. (Id est) our use of certain terms.
Did not our very own "Lizzie Windsor" not so long ago use the term "Annus horribilis". In an address to us her loyal British subjects?
Yes...and having been in the medical profession I have been exposed to, aware of and been guilty of using the said language.
I actually like to see it written and hear it. It has a regality(not sure if I made that word up) to it.
I used to go to Church with my Ma and sit through Sunday Mass...in Latin, with my missal open showing the Latin responses in red.
Anyone who was taught Latin at school should consider themselves very lucky as it is the basis of understanding words and their meanings.
That said, I think I was once taken to task for using it on the forum because of the foreign lingo rules. I did not make them, but I DO try(and sometimes fail)to abide by them.
I actually like to see it written and hear it. It has a regality(not sure if I made that word up) to it.
I used to go to Church with my Ma and sit through Sunday Mass...in Latin, with my missal open showing the Latin responses in red.
Anyone who was taught Latin at school should consider themselves very lucky as it is the basis of understanding words and their meanings.
That said, I think I was once taken to task for using it on the forum because of the foreign lingo rules. I did not make them, but I DO try(and sometimes fail)to abide by them.
And if not the usual suspects, there are also those among the populace who really don't want these measures for whatever their reasons are. But if absolute security is what you're wanting ..... well sooner or later folk will have to accept the above choices or we'll still be in the same rut x years down the line complaining about the same issues!
agree with this I.D. issue. only those who have something to hide or the lefties seem really down on the idea. the only downside would be if it was against the law not to carry it all the time. for someone like me who carries nothing around with me except the cash i need it could be more than a problem. i,d probebly forget it as many times as a set off without my stanley season ticket.
as for latin you can keep it.
agree with this I.D. issue. only those who have something to hide or the lefties seem really down on the idea. the only downside would be if it was against the law not to carry it all the time. for someone like me who carries nothing around with me except the cash i need it could be more than a problem. i,d probebly forget it as many times as a set off without my stanley season ticket.
as for latin you can keep it.
Well, I have nothing to hide...and I am not a despicable leftie..But I do not want an I D card.
I have explained why in posts for a long time.
I have no evidence that makes me want to change my mind.
If crims can fake other documents then they will fake these lucratively.
ID cards rely on them being carried by everyone and being subject to scrutiny.
I have seen how the border forces work at passport points in airports...not much scrutiny is given to these documents.
As for Latin, it is a language that helps you to understand the roots of words.
It was the language of learning in the dim and distant past, but has relevance in legal and medical circles who still use many Latin terms. Many Latin abbreviations are used in our own language, and if you have learned latin, then many other language doors are easier to open.
I have explained why in posts for a long time.
I have no evidence that makes me want to change my mind.
If crims can fake other documents then they will fake these lucratively.
ID cards rely on them being carried by everyone and being subject to scrutiny.
I have seen how the border forces work at passport points in airports...not much scrutiny is given to these documents.
As for Latin, it is a language that helps you to understand the roots of words.
It was the language of learning in the dim and distant past, but has relevance in legal and medical circles who still use many Latin terms. Many Latin abbreviations are used in our own language, and if you have learned latin, then many other language doors are easier to open.
Here is a link to one of the threads...perhaps you might like to peruse it.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f69/i-d-cards-on-there-way-47273-4.html
And here is a link to a more recent one.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f69/is-it-time-to-bring-back-national-id-cards-69186.html
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f69/i-d-cards-on-there-way-47273-4.html
And here is a link to a more recent one.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f69/is-it-time-to-bring-back-national-id-cards-69186.html
Being taught at a catholic grammar, I had Latin rammed down my throat!!
Although, 60 plus years later, apart from Hic Haec Hoc, (not even sure that is correct!), all I can remember is Cashy's tagline, NLTBGYD!
Roughly translated as :
Non illeggitimae carborundum
(Never let the barstewards grind you down!)
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The government should be happy to foot the bill for increased security and all the other anti fraud type benefits ID cards would bring. I'd like it to contain your driving licence as well so we don't have to pay for that and carry 2 cards.
They could use personal ID numbers linked to car insurance policies so the Police know exactly who is insured to drive a car.
Technology can be a good thing
If you can trust the government to protect your information.
technology is a tool and a tool that is sharp is a boon, but a tool that is not what it should be,is dangerous even in skilled hands.
It seems that criminals are better at technology than governments are.
Neil, I do not see how our personal security will be increased or improved. Those who have criminal intent will just not carry ID cards....or will clone ID cards of innocent people.(if someone can somehow clone your information and add THEIR biometric details, then you really are done for....how then will you,prove that you are the real you?)
When there is some mechanism by which this problem can be overcome, then that will be a step forward.
The other question is... how are the I D cards to be policed....or perhaps that is not quite the right word. There is no point in having something if no one ever scrutinises it.
technology is a tool and a tool that is sharp is a boon, but a tool that is not what it should be,is dangerous even in skilled hands.
It seems that criminals are better at technology than governments are.
Neil, I do not see how our personal security will be increased or improved. Those who have criminal intent will just not carry ID cards....or will clone ID cards of innocent people.(if someone can somehow clone your information and add THEIR biometric details, then you really are done for....how then will you,prove that you are the real you?)
When there is some mechanism by which this problem can be overcome, then that will be a step forward.
The other question is... how are the I D cards to be policed....or perhaps that is not quite the right word. There is no point in having something if no one ever scrutinises it.
Tell me about it, I have to have a Photo Drivers licence, Photo Drivers card for HGV's, Photo medical card, "Aufenhaltserlaubnis papers" (legal registration to live & work in Germany) & carry my passport to verify who & what I am!
A single all inclusive card would be nice.
Tell me about it, I have to have a Photo Drivers licence, Photo Drivers card for HGV's, Photo medical card, "Aufenhaltserlaubnis papers" (legal registration to live & work in Germany) & carry my passport to verify who & what I am!
A single all inclusive card would be nice.
You and I have had to carry numerous ID cards throughout our adult lives - I also had one as a child. A couple or so Units I had to carry out work at required more than one ID - never had a problem with them at all.
The best I.D. I ever had was when I was self employed, for some reason one site I was working on wouldn't let anyone on unless they had a card with photo issued by the tax office.
I spent hours (and money) getting it issued.
They looked at it once!
Years later I went to sign on the dole, 'have you proof of identity?'.
Yes I replied and brought out that card.
'That's no good' came the reply, 'we don't accept anything from the tax office, do you have your birth certificate?'.
I spent hours (and money) getting it issued.
They looked at it once!
Years later I went to sign on the dole, 'have you proof of identity?'.
Yes I replied and brought out that card.
'That's no good' came the reply, 'we don't accept anything from the tax office, do you have your birth certificate?'.
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a similar thing with me when i returned from living in Spain, i was asked for I.D. and all i had with me was my Spanish Residencia card with photo and signature on, i was told we dont accept that.its issued by the Spanish Government says i, no matter we dont accept.
the problem with showing I.D. if required is that not all people have a driving licence or a passport. can cause problems for people. my ex wife always had a problem due to this. everyone thinks everyone has one or both which is a lazy assumption.