Blackburn Raver said:
You seem to be having trouble with what is presumably your native language Blackburn Raver. I hope the following clarifies things for you.
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
bastard
/baast
illegitimate
/illijittim
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You seem to be having trouble with what is presumably your native language Blackburn Raver. I hope the following clarifies things for you.
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
bastard
/baast
illegitimate
/illijittim
Oh........yerself... great minds and all that!
Margaret Pilkington said:
but we no longer live in the past where that term was acceptable this is they year 2005 and not 1905 or even 1955 many of my friends are parents and they are not wed some are even single parents just because a child is born out of wedlock DOES NOT make it illigitimate and a bastard .......ignorance is bliss
But we are not using the term in a derogatory sense........these children are illegitimate.
However, I respect your right to that opinion.
Margaret Pilkington said:
derogatory or not they are not illigitimate and they are not bastards and i couldnt give a sh1t what a book says ...sorry but thats how i feel .....my last post before i say something il regret
BLACKBURN RAVER said:but we no longer live in the past where that term was acceptable this is they year 2005 and not 1905 or even 1955 many of my friends are parents and they are not wed some are even single parents just because a child is born out of wedlock DOES NOT make it illigitimate and a bastard .......ignorance is bliss
Just consulted with my (sorry, folks) Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary.
illegitimate, adj., 1: not recognized as lawful offspring: specif. born of parents not married to each other (emphasis added)
Even an dictionary of American English clearly shows that a child born out of wedlock is illegitimate. Blackburn Raver, you are free to disagree, but a few of us have provided authoritative documentation to support our position. Suggest that you may wish to do the same.
I'll happily forego the use of "bastard," as it carries a lot of additional pejorative connotations.
>>derogatory or not they are not illigitimate and they are not bastards and i couldnt give a sh1t what a book says <<
Happily for society as a whole and civilisation in general, you are in a fairly small minority there.
The fact remains that, like it or not, any child born to an unmarried mother is illegitimate in the eyes of the law and thus a bastard. There are some who have revelled in the apellation; William the Conqueror was commonly referred to as William the Bastard and later in the fifteenth century one of the illegitimate sons of the French king (I forget which one) rejoiced in the ludicrous title of The Grand Bastard of Burgundy.
Indeed, I have even been known to refer to myself as "Bastard, by name and by nature!"
Happily for society as a whole and civilisation in general, you are in a fairly small minority there.
The fact remains that, like it or not, any child born to an unmarried mother is illegitimate in the eyes of the law and thus a bastard. There are some who have revelled in the apellation; William the Conqueror was commonly referred to as William the Bastard and later in the fifteenth century one of the illegitimate sons of the French king (I forget which one) rejoiced in the ludicrous title of The Grand Bastard of Burgundy.
Indeed, I have even been known to refer to myself as "Bastard, by name and by nature!"
Billcat said:
LIKE I SAY I COULDNT GIVE A SH1T ABOUT A FRIKIN BOOK ..POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS THE NAME OF THE GAME THESE DAYS, IF YOU CANT CALL A BLACK A BLACK THEN WHY CAN YOU STILL CALL A BABY A BASTARD ....BOLL**S TO A BOOK ....YOU ARE A BIGOT (One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.).....SEEING AS YOU ARE ALL QUOTIONG THE GREAT BOOK
BLACKBURN RAVER said:
[font=arial, helvetica]Political Correctness remains just what it was intended to be: a sophisticated and dangerous form of censorship and oppression, imposed upon the citizenry with the ultimate goal of manipulating, brainwashing and destroying our society.[/font]
It may be true to say that an infant has no influence over the marital status of its parents and thus cannot be blamed for the circumstances of its birth. On the other hand there are some schools of thought which would argue the opposite, insisting that the soul actively chooses the life that it is to be born into.
Generally speaking though the use of the terms "Bastard" and "Illegitimate" have been applied to such children for thousands of years without anyone thinking to change them for something nicer. If the words carry a negative or perjorative connotation then that is the result of such words being used to convey a meaning which is different to that which was originally the case. If you find offence in such words then may I respectfully suggest that the offence lies not in the word but in your own ear.
Generally speaking though the use of the terms "Bastard" and "Illegitimate" have been applied to such children for thousands of years without anyone thinking to change them for something nicer. If the words carry a negative or perjorative connotation then that is the result of such words being used to convey a meaning which is different to that which was originally the case. If you find offence in such words then may I respectfully suggest that the offence lies not in the word but in your own ear.
BLACKBURN RAVER said:
bastard dosnt mean fatherless it means born out of wedlock
my kids are bastards coz i wasnt married when hey were born
been born out of wedlock used to be a shamefull thing so calling somone a bastard was an insult
these days most people are born out of wedlock so theres no shame attatched to it any more
non the less the name stands correct so if born to parents who are not married at the time of birth a bastard ye be
Thank you, Baz, for enlightening us to the finer? points of political correctness.Bazf said:
You have just won yourself some karma points.
Bazf said:
Well said Bazf...........and I totally agree.
BLACKBURN RAVER said:
Apparently, you are not only foul-mouthed, but you fail to read and comprehend. I cited authorities, and I decidely did not call anyone a bastard. In fact, I cited reasons why I choose to refrain from using that term. Instead, you reply with a foul stream of coarse invective that says a whole lot about your own lack of character.
One can only hope that the administrators see fit to deal with you as you so richly deserve.
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