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A judge has ruled that a woman had to remove her veil whilst giving evidence in the witness box, I should think so too, they should also remove them when using post offices and banks too. If they object there are planes leaving for Islamabad every day from most airports, think the saying when in Rome applies on this issue;)
 
No place in a civilised and democratic society and they should be banned period

its not even a faith issue theres no part of the koran that states a woman should wear a face covering its simply something dreamt up by some nutty man many years ago as a tool to belittle and control the opposite sex.Probbably teh same paranoid nut that had sex with a child and didnt like his picture been illustrated and also put a ban on bacon because he had a problem with pigs .

i have mentioned this every time this subject comes up and basically i asked a mulsim taxi driver one night why women wore them and he said it was to show respect to their husbands.I asked him if his wife wore one and he said yes she did.I then asked him why he wasnt wearing one to show respect to his wife and there was no answer just a grin
 
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accyman said:
No place in a civilised and democratic society and they should be banned period

its not even a faith issue theres no part of the koran that states a woman should wear a face covering its simply something dreamt up by some nutty man many years ago as a tool to belittle and control the opposite sex.Probbably teh same paranoid nut that had sex with a child and didnt like his picture been illustrated and also put a ban on bacon because he had a problem with pigs .

i have mentioned this every time this subject comes up and basically i asked a mulsim taxi driver one night why women wore them and he said it was to show respect to their husbands.I asked him if his wife wore one and he said yes she did.I then asked him why he wasnt wearing one to show respect to his wife and there was no answer just a grin
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That's because he's an ugly git and his wife knows nobody will bother giving him a second glance anyway:D
 
jaysay said:
they should also remove them when using post offices and banks too.
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When I had my motorcycle ,Jaysay , I had to remove my helmet when entering post offices and banks because it could conceal my identity . The full face veils conceal identity much better than crash helmets .
 
jaysay said:
A judge has ruled that a woman had to remove her veil whilst giving evidence in the witness box, I should think so too, they should also remove them when using post offices and banks too. If they object there are planes leaving for Islamabad every day from most airports, think the saying when in Rome applies on this issue;)
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And you should start at the beginning ... with the citizenship oath:


Face veils banned for citizenship oaths - Politics - CBC News
 
People that agree wi wearing em anywhere,are whats "WRONG" wi our country,:( I posted a few years ago that i was nearly knocked down by one of these people wearing a letterbox, on Tesco car park at Blackburn, Its utterly ridiculous that people are allowed to drive wearing em also, This is nothing at all to do wi religion, its trying to impose their way on us, Well sorry it don't wash wi me,:(
 
People should in principle have the right to wear whatever they want and to express their religious beliefs. We live in an age of rights and freedoms enshrined in law. As long as it's a genuine expression of belief and not something imposed by social or familial pressures.
 
DtheP47 said:
People should in principle have the right to wear whatever they want and to express their religious beliefs. We live in an age of rights and freedoms enshrined in law. As long as it's a genuine expression of belief and not something imposed by social or familial pressures.
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as i said earlier the burka,veil,letterbox etc has absolutely nothing to do with religous beleif its merely a tool of oppression and control.

personally id do away with right to religous beleif as well and tear down every damn church and mosque that couldnt be converted into a pub.Im sick to the back teeth of how much money,time and effort is wasted pandering to morons that think theres a magic fella in the sky.

god or allah want a church or mosque then let god or allah magically errect one from dust.Supposed to have made woman from a rib so surely buiding his own damn church isnt outside hsi skill set.Besides he created NVQ's he could be a builder in 3 months if his mojo is a bit limp but then again he created the polish so he may loose to a lower quote with better workmanship:)

mind you we dont really have religous belief in the UK there was enough signatures on the last census to declare jedi a recognised faith but it didnt get its status.6 dvd box set is way more credible than 1 poxy ill thought out book from a long time ago:mad:
 
accyman said:
as i said earlier the burka,veil,letterbox etc has absolutely nothing to do with religous beleif its merely a tool of oppression and control.

personally id do away with right to religous beleif as well and tear down every damn church and mosque that couldnt be converted into a pub.Im sick to the back teeth of how much money,time and effort is wasted pandering to morons that think theres a magic fella in the sky.

god or allah want a church or mosque then let god or allah magically errect one from dust.Supposed to have made woman from a rib so surely buiding his own damn church isnt outside hsi skill set.Besides he created NVQ's he could be a builder in 3 months if his mojo is a bit limp but then again he created the polish so he may loose to a lower quote with better workmanship:)

mind you we dont really have religous belief in the UK there was enough signatures on the last census to declare jedi a recognised faith but it didnt get its status.6 dvd box set is way more credible than 1 poxy ill thought out book from a long time ago:mad:
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Accyman, after all that ranting and raving, according to Accy Web, i see you are a God member
 
DtheP47 said:
People should in principle have the right to wear whatever they want and to express their religious beliefs. We live in an age of rights and freedoms enshrined in law. As long as it's a genuine expression of belief and not something imposed by social or familial pressures.
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The niqab has nothing to do with religion...it is all about male domination of women.
Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it tell women that they must cover their faces.
It is a throwback to Persian aristocracy...it is a tribal custom, but many muslim men have been brainwashed to equate it with the muslim religion....and pass this belief on to their women and children. The women do it out of deference to their husbands and fathers - but it is the men who require it to be done...not the religion.

You can see far more muslim women in Blackburn wearing this garment than ever you will see in a Turkish city.

It is intimidatory, anti-social and when it comes to the courts of law and schools it should be banned.
 
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accyman said:
as i said earlier the burka,veil,letterbox etc has absolutely nothing to do with religous beleif its merely a tool of oppression and control.

personally id do away with right to religous beleif as well and tear down every damn church and mosque that couldnt be converted into a pub.Im sick to the back teeth of how much money,time and effort is wasted pandering to morons that think theres a magic fella in the sky.

god or allah want a church or mosque then let god or allah magically errect one from dust.Supposed to have made woman from a rib so surely buiding his own damn church isnt outside hsi skill set.Besides he created NVQ's he could be a builder in 3 months if his mojo is a bit limp but then again he created the polish so he may loose to a lower quote with better workmanship:)

mind you we dont really have religous belief in the UK there was enough signatures on the last census to declare jedi a recognised faith but it didnt get its status.6 dvd box set is way more credible than 1 poxy ill thought out book from a long time ago:mad:
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You need no special building to exercise any religious belief...you can pray anywhere - if you want to.
 
DtheP47 said:
People should in principle have the right to wear whatever they want and to express their religious beliefs. We live in an age of rights and freedoms enshrined in law. As long as it's a genuine expression of belief and not something imposed by social or familial pressures.
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Margaret Pilkington said:
The niqab has nothing to do with religion...it is all about male domination of women.
Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it tell women that they must cover their faces.

It is intimidatory, anti-social and when it comes to the courts of law and schools it should be banned.
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You need to reread my post Mrs P last sentence please.

And yes when the wearing of a veil impinges on the functioning of justice or education it can't be right that individual devotion takes priority.

Now reread my first and second sentences please.
 
I do NOT need to read your post again...as I understood it the first time.

In fact if you read my post you can clearly see it is undelining some of what you said...however, I do not believe people have a right to wear something which is anti-social and intimidatory.
Much of our perception of people is gained from facial expression(which is why the internet is such a bad way to get across certain points and nuances)....and women who say they choose to wear such a garment are denying us the opportubity to see facial expressions...and determine what they are really thinking or feeling....It also makes it impossible for those who are deaf to determine what is being said...and you do not always know when you will encounter a deaf person in your daily activities.

In this country christians are denied the opportunity to show any outward expression of their faith......I remember a man being sacked from his job for having a palm cross in his van...yet today I go into the GPO and see above the counter, something written in arabic(roughly translated it said 'God is great,...or maybe that should read Allah)....and this is permitted...so the thing about religious beliefs seems to me to be all one way.
We do not need to see a woman clothed from head to foot(in a niqab too) to know she is muslim....the rest of her form of dress already tells us that.
 
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Aussie Irene said:
Accyman, after all that ranting and raving, according to Accy Web, i see you are a God member
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yes and although i would appreciate a weekly collection to help out with the bills and repairs etc i dont insist women cover their faces although it has been tempting to require the ugly ones do iv resisted temptation thus far

Amen :D
 
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