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garinda said:
The number of Germans who have converted to Islam has increased fourfold within one year -- despite the negative perception of Islam among the general public.
Muslim Converts in Germany: Angst-Ridden Germans Look for Answers -- And Find Them in the Koran - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Investigators have discovered a “Jihadi village” of white German al-Qaeda insurgents, including Muslim converts, in Pakistan’s tribal areas close to the Afghan border.
"Jihadi Village”: White German Muslim Town Found In Pakistan - Atlas Shrugs

Perhaps we just have a better news service in the UK.

;)

Fanaticism knows no political boundaries.
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The same could be said of the UK, prisoners taken at various engagements with the NATO forces, imprisoned in Guantanamo were claiming British citizenship and the home office should bail them out, then the radio intercepts of Taliban fighters having "Midland & Yorkshire accents" :rolleyes:
 
DaveinGermany said:
Again stating the obvious Britain has become the poor relation of Europe, how many families live on the bread line, have inadequate income, and are struggling through on a daily basis, areas of the UK have become similar to these third world countries, and the vast number of people are from ethnically different backgrounds.
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Strange that in your words, Britain is now similar a third world nation, just how many people try to enter the country, legally, or illegally.

I can only presume you haven't travelled very far, or wear blinkers that hinder your view of reality.
 
DaveinGermany said:
The same could be said of the UK, prisoners taken at various engagements with the NATO forces, imprisoned in Guantanamo were claiming British citizenship and the home office should bail them out, then the radio intercepts of Taliban fighters having "Midland & Yorkshire accents" :rolleyes:
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I've said nothing that contradicts that.

All I was commenting on was your assumption that you were happy to have left the UK, and Germany was somehow immune from fanaticism, which it clearly isn't.

As the German demographic statisticans predict you'll be a Muslim country in forty years, I wish you all the best.
 
garinda said:
Strange that in your words, Britain is now similar a third world nation, just how many people try to enter the country, legally, or illegally.

I can only presume you haven't travelled very far, or wear blinkers that hinder your view of reality.
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Areas of Britain, come on now :rolleyes: you can't tell me you've not seen some of these areas I'm talking about ?
 
garinda said:
I've said nothing that contradicts that.

All I was commenting on was your assumption that you were happy to have left the UK, and Germany was somehow immune from fanaticism, which it clearly isn't.

As the German demographic statisticans predict you'll be a Muslim country in forty years, I wish you all the best.
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I left the UK "to serve my Country", and at no point did I say Germany was immune to fanaticism, but that there is not an overwhelming prevalence displayed on the News bulletins.

Not just Germany but pretty much all of Europe as the birthrate in Muslim families is higher than that of European families, and U.K. won't be free from this phenomenon either. This is quite clear to see should you walk down some of our Major towns & Cities roads today, especially in Areas of Yorkshire, London & Leicestershire.
 
The title of this thread is "Fanatics", we may have wandered somewhat in this little segment, but I don't want to see how many News paper & magazine articles you can find & post up here, I want your View, the opinion of Garinda the person, sway me, us with "Your opinion" :rolleyes:

PS back to an earlier point I've travelled plenty and seen quite a lot.
 
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DaveinGermany said:
The title of this thread is "Fanatics", we may have wandered somewhat in this little segment, but I don't want to see how many News paper & magazine articles you can find & post up here, I want your View, the opinion of Garinda the person, sway me, us with "Your opinion" :rolleyes:

PS back to an earlier point I've travelled plenty and seen quite a lot.
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I haven't swayed from the thread's subject.

Fanaticism isn't confined by geographic boundaries, the problem is international, and I've supplied ample evidence to support that fact.

If you've travelled, and think the Britain of today, with it's generous benefit culture, NHS, and sophisticated infrastructure, is akin to a 'third world country', I must arrive at the conclusion that you aren't very observant, or that you haven't travelled much in eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, or central and southern America.
 
garinda said:
I haven't swayed from the thread's subject.

Fanaticism isn't confined by geographic boundaries, the problem is international, and I've supplied ample evidence to support that fact.

If you've travelled, and think the Britain of today, with it's generous benefit culture, NHS, and sophisticated infrastructure, is akin to a 'third world country', I must arrive at the conclusion that you aren't very observant, or that you haven't travelled much in eastern Europe, Africa, Asia, or central and southern America.
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Garinda, Garinda, you're doing it again mate, your taking thinks literally to devalue my opinions. The thread was about "Muslims 4 UK" intending to protest at Wootton Basset, as I'm sure you're aware this is the focus point of the true tragic cost of the situation in Afghanistan to the British people, seen on an almost daily basis. Now any right minded Britain (irrelevant of their creed or colour) should be offended & irate at this planned affront.

But we've ended up at Worldwide Fanaticism. That is also an undeniable truth, it can be found all over the Globe, but isn't the point of this thread despite the wealth of evidence you've provided to back up your entries. We are trying to establish peoples views on the planned (but now cancelled) protest that was to be carried out by Muslim "Fanatics".

Once more my friend you are mistaken, :rolleyes: I am observant enough to see that you are re-phrasing my comments to suit your discourse on the topic. At no time have I stated that Britain is a third World Country which you infer here, the actual statement was "There are areas that are like a third World Country".( a small aside here : sophisticated infrastructure ?? which falls apart with a bit of snow ??)

As to travel I've seen parts of Eastern Europe, just after the "Iron Curtain" came down, and these were lands in the 20th century that still resembled something out of the 19th Century. I've been back since and as stated in comparison with UK there are Towns & Cities full of Opulence & Squalor both sides of the coin within a couple of streets of each other. As to the Middle East, the Home of the Muslim faith, how does Saudi, Iraq & Kuwait compare, again we have this gaping divide between haves' & have nots' this is also reflected in their standard of life & living.
 
DaveinGermany said:
areas of the UK have become similar to these third world countries
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Care to list those areas of gross poverty, the ones ineligible to benefit from a generous welfare state, a National Health Service, and a sophisticated infrastructure?

By the way, this thread is simply titled 'fanatics', fanatics who appear throughout the world, and aren't confined to any one nation.

fa·nat·ic (f
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A Stanley supporter could argue their case here, or one of the party faithfull could push their politics, without veering off thread, or breaking forum rules.

;)
 
garinda said:
Care to list those areas of gross poverty, the ones ineligible to benefit from a generous welfare state, a National Health Service, and a sophisticated infrastructure?
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Oh, and not forgetting a free education, that most in the real third world would love to have.
 
jaysay said:
Actually shows just what nut jobs these clowns are, name your son after a war, can you imagine naming your son Market Garden after the D Day landings, the men in white coats would be a knocking on your door:rolleyes:
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That would be "Overlord" not "Market Garden" .... damn it all, I love pedantry;):D
 
garinda said:
Care to list those areas of gross poverty, the ones ineligible to benefit from a generous welfare state, a National Health Service, and a sophisticated infrastructure?

By the way, this thread is simply titled 'fanatics', fanatics who appear throughout the world, and aren't confined to any one nation.

fa·nat·ic (f
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k)n. A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.

A Stanley supporter could argue their case here, or one of the party faithfull could push their politics, without veering off thread, or breaking forum rules.

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To list them would be difficult, I get home once a year see friends and family, I talk with them and their friends, these are the people on the ground, real people who are experiencing the hardships and difficulties. Yes we have these assets in UK, but does everyone get a fair crack at them ?? you're the one for the headlines & articles, guarantee you'd find them if you look, but you won't because that would go against you. It would be wrong for me to say one town,city,district or area, as I am not there to confirm this, but before you decry heresy, why should the people lie to me ?

Again we run up against your tendency towards verbatim acceptance of the written word, an expression is used & you allow no variation to its' context in the discussion.

Even in "third World Countries" there is an availability of the specifics you mentioned,although rudimentary & rustic these facilities exist. show me a Country that has no roads, no healthcare( it may be a man with a stick & some beads who mutters away but for the people he is their healthcare). The Aboriginal culture managed well enough without Schools they managed to educate their youngsters, and they're still here today.

"Fanatic" some may consider the application of this epithet to you and your seeming desire to have things seen as you see them to be. Once more there appears to be no ground that you will not let stand as a fair assumption & allow it some credence, it must be your view or there is no alternative or compromise.

And I think you made a bad call on knocking the Stanley Faithful mate :)
 
yerself said:
Get him andwerb. The ill-educated oik can't even spell.:D:D
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Blame the new secretary, whom I dictate to, because the Parkinson's now affects both hands, making it harder still to type myself.

You just can't get the staff these days, unless you hire someone from the third world.

;)
 
DaveinGermany said:
To list them would be difficult
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On the contrary, I'd have thought if they existed, these areas of the UK that were akin to the third world, in that they had no access to the welfare and benefits system, the NHS, and free education etc, would be a perfectly easy thing to do.

:rolleyes:
 
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