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OK Kipax, ask your question. I am leaving for my holiday in about 15 minutes but if the question is intelligent, I will be back on Friday to reply.
 
:p I didn't realise there was a time limit to permitted responses on Accy Web. I've been on hols for a few days and going back again this morning so no doubt I'll be coming back in a couple of weeks and posting things which are far too late in your opinion.

Eer, did I miss the question somewhere by the way? :confused: What was it again? Were you asking what the point of this thread was? It looks to me like you've been answered more than once by all the people who have something constructive informative and intelligent to say on the subject. I've enjoyed reading the links because I have learned something from them. One thing I've learned is that I'm not alone in my opinion that too much PC "guidance" can be a dangerous thing. Some people can voice my opinion a lot more eloquently than I can.

In order for a thread to be worthwhile it doesn't have to consist of people in disagreement. We can learn a lot from people who agree with our point of view but have more information to provide.

It's like the buses thread, we can all agree that public transport leaves a lot to be desired. That doesn't make the discussion pointless because no-one has come out in defence of public transport.
 
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:p I didn't realise there was a time limit to permitted responses on Accy Web.
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Wow niether did I? What is it willow.. hope its longer than a few hrs only I ahve to sleep sometimes... come on share then ? :)

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It's like the buses thread, we can all agree that public transport leaves a lot to be desired. That doesn't make the discussion pointless because no-one has come out in defence of public transport.
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It does when someone posts messages directed solely at those people that dont exist.. thats when it gets a little silly..

It isnt people agreeing wiht each other in this thread.. its people getting very upset (busman ya gotta admit you do get upset at the slightest thing) and asking the same questions.. when a questions been asked and everyone agrees.. thats great.. when a questions been asked and then more people ask the same question and they al get upset because no one answers.. then its silly... If you just want to find someone to argue wiht for the sake of it then good for you.. but an ounce of common while reading the thread will show you its not as you describe..

have you seen the insults and the childish name changing.. busman called me a do gooder trying to argue wiht him when i was agreeing with him.. he is that desperate for someone to argue the point...

I strive to find grown ups to debate a subject with and all i get is people who resort to childish insults when someone questions there side of the debate :(

I do hope none of you are like this in real life :)
 
This is the problem with different people's perception of the written word. You see insults where none are apparent to me and others see insults where you say you have insulted no-one. Could it possibly be I wonder that no-one actually intentionally insults anyone else but people take offence anyway?

Time limit? Well you said Busman has had all week and missed his chance.
 
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well i'm quite disappointed in the whole one-sided debate. If thats what you can call it
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It illustrates the point that we all bow to political correctness even though we don't agree with it. The things like baa baa blacksheep and blackboards make a mockery of real racism by lumping nonsense like that all in the same bracket.
 
Time limit? Well you said Busman has had all week and missed his chance.
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And I am in charge am I..Thats good to know:) Or was you trying to be sarcastic... just what the thread needs eh :)

Steph has a good point.. Its so one sided that you cant really call it a debate.. all these grown men looking for someone to argue with and getting upset when everyone agrees with them.

I agree with the questions asked.,... My mistake was to ask the point of the question...
 
I agree that a debate is more interesting if we have opposing points of view but this discussion is also interesting because although people are in agreement with the basic idea they have brought up different points which we may not otherwise have known (such as the links I mentioned earlier) I have learned something from those so for that reason alone I would say this thread is worthwhile.

At one stage I was asked why I had started a new thread on a subject which had been mentioned in another thread, yet at the same time people are criticised for thread wandering and therefore encouraged to start new threads. If the very existence of some new threads is criticised by members of longstanding surely that would discourage people from starting new threads and the website would lose its point.

Anyway I'm off on the second stage of my holiday soon and if there's anything more interesting been added here when I get back I'll probably read it and say something else then too.
 
If the very existence of some new threads is criticised by members of longstanding surely that would discourage people from starting new threads and the website would lose its point.
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I hope your not accusing me?

I find this thread very interesting.. I wouldnt be posting otherwise now would I? I mearely asked the point of the questions raised... other people getting upset isnt my fault..

If my answers upset you then dont ask scarey questions :)

So who are you directing those comments at willow? Is anyone criticising the existance of this thread? if so name and shame.. if not then why on earth mention it...
 
To go back to the first posting on the thread, I'm not American, but I do live in the U.S. so would like to address the "Yank" question. The only people (I suspect) who would object to being called Yanks are the people of the Southern States. I think the word probably originated when the civil war was being fought and the people of the states which comprised the Confederacy call the people from the Northern States "Yanks." Some of the die hards who believe "the south will rise again" still call them Yanks and they do it with a derogatory tone. I think that says a lot, the tone used can indicate something which is meant to insult. Having said that, I think there are words such as the "N" word which are derogatory no matter what tone is used. But these things change all the time. At one stage it was more polite to call negros coloured rather than black. Now that has changed. I think it has come to a ridiculous state of affairs now with the blackboard/chalkboard stupidity. I call it a blackboard because that is what it is. If that offends someone it's too bad as far as I'm concerned, it is not my intention to offend.
 
Speaking personally, I have often thought that if it is ones intention to insult, belittle or offend someone, then it makes very little difference what words one chooses to use. If, for example, I wished to make offensive comments about Space Aliens, I am sure that I would be able to use whatever the currently politically correct adjectives were, in such a way that my intention would be clear from the combination of context and tone of voice.

I had an aunt who would never utter an expletive or swear word, she held them to be vulgar and beneath her. Instead, she substituted other words in place of the expletive she wished to avoid using, substituting the word 'Sugar' for 'Bugger' and 'Ruddy' for 'Bloody' etc.etc. Her intention and meaning was always clear and exact, but she felt that the substitution somehow absolved her from the shame of having to resort to the use of the common expletive. In my view this was hypocritical, since it was her intention that her substitution be understood as an expletive, even though it wasn't one.

Doesn't the insistence on the use of politically correct words, force us all to travel the same hypocritical road as my aunt?
 
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Right after reading all of the threads i have 4got tha original question.....

any way i think this mite help u a little bit if not juz hit me back with another Q..

i myself am a british pakistani born n bred here so i dnt have a problem with people calling me that but when they do say asian i would not say that i do get offended or angry because it iz true i am an asian but would rarther prefer to be called a pakistani az like lettie was describin the word asian can be anyone 4rm india to china..... i dnt think it iz a problem for tha majority of our community and dnt feel tht we would or even do get offended when some1 say we are asian but i do feel we would rarther be called either british pakistani's or pakistani hpe this helped coz it got a bit confusin for my self nr the end ;)
 
Could you tell us if the British Pakistani community finds the abbreviation of Pakistani offensive? It seems that most of us non-Pakistanis are split on this question as to many it is the same as aussie, brit, yank, pom, argie etc and is derived as such. Would you say that most things that some white lefty liberals say cause offence to the 'asian' community do not actually cause offence - such as hot-cross buns, the christmas nativity etc.

I (we?) would be very interested in hearing more from you.
 
i dnt think or feel that the word pakistani is offensive to the majority of our community but when you do abbreviate the word then i would have to say is offensive and does make most of us feel angry and feel like others are then tryin to be racist..... regarding what some left right liberals have to say part of what they do say does cause discomfort within our community but as we have got used to this type of behaviour over the years some of it we just ignore as we know all they have is their own norrow minded view, which i feel everyone does a right to view their own opionion but it should be to an extent..
 
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