Gun Control

[susie123]

So how do you propose preventing the Colorado shootings from happening again, Eric? Shrug your shoulders and say "Oh well, boys will be boys"?

errr....I think you'll find it was me who STARTED this thread by giving my take on the matter. We've tightened the gun laws in this country, and while we haven't prevented the occasional incident, we have at least ensured that it is kept to a minimum.

Of course the Colorado shootings will happen again, but that shouldn't stop us from looking for ways to make it as hard as possible for these idiots to build up an arsenal of arms.

Thank you... I do know that you started this thread, I have been reading from the beginning. You seemed to be asking Eric if he had concrete proposals to deal with this as he is a gun owner and I just wondered if you also had any more ideas that you wanted to put forward as you were not very specific in your first post.

 

[Eric]

So how do you propose preventing the Colorado shootings from happening again, Eric? Shrug your shoulders and say "Oh well, boys will be boys"?

Maybe more like "nut bars and whack jobs will be what they are". Maybe one should look at problems other than guns. But, I do agree that certain kinds of guns ... assault rifles and hand guns come to mind ... should be kept out of the hands of the public. Oh, and you can't prevent mass shootings. It's a fact of modern life, and not only in the US. Norway doesn't seem to have the cowboy mentality, but they had an even worse event. And the death toll at Dunblane was worse if I remember correctly.

 

[Burningman]

Your nuts if you want to relax gun laws in the UK.
I live in Oakland. CA, and we had 105 gun homicides last year... just in our city!
9000 Murders by Gun in US; 39 in UK
It is WAY out of control in the US, and the gun lobby are a powerful lever on politicians. The second amendment was written 250 years ago and strangles any progress on this tragic mess.

 

[susie123]

Your nuts if you want to relax gun laws in the UK.

I don't think anyone is suggesting going down that route...

 

[susie123]

1987 Hungerford 16 deaths
1996 Dunblane 17 deaths, 16 of them children, making this a more emotional subject
2010 Cumbria 12 deaths

In all three cases the gunman committed suicide. These crimes span a period of 25 years. Dr Harold Shipman killed over 200 people over his working life of 20 odd years and killed himself in prison. Has anyone any good ideas as to how we could prevent or legislate for such occurrences??

Breivik in Norway shot and killed 69 people where gun laws appear to be very stringent.

Sensible article here about gun laws, especially the part about teaching children to shoot.
Shotguns aren't the problem – criminals are - Telegraph

 

[jaysay]

Well I certainly don't think that Icke and Richard Branson are the same - no way! If I had the will I could take photos of many people who all look similar and then try and bend it so I say they are all the same people acting. Many people do look the same and this guy is simply stretching his imagination to make them into dopplegangers! Is this guy making these vids "paranoid dellusional"? That is he is deluded that people are acting and conspiring in a way that they are not...

The mention of David Icke, is quite enough for me thank you

 

[jaysay]

I don't think anyone is suggesting going down that route...

The fact that we do have these gun laws which are ineffective, with the criminal element, is bad enough, criminals have never played by the rules and were never going to comply with the hand gun legislation when it was introduced, the only people it did effect was the genuine sportsman

 

[DaveinGermany]

Of course the Colorado shootings will happen again, but that shouldn't stop us from looking for ways to make it as hard as possible for these idiots to build up an arsenal of arms.

What has it got to do with us ? It's an American problem & it's down to their constitution the 2nd amendment, "the right to keep & bear arms" it's been around since Dec 15 1791.

Now unless the Americans change their constitution & then face down the NRA, which I very much doubt because of the weight & influence that they can bring to bear. No politico if he/she intends to stay in the game for any length of time would even contemplate these changes & challenges.

The UK has got some of the toughest gun laws & punishments possible & it still can't control the criminal gun users. So instead, Plod & the powers that be have relentlessly pursued the legal possessors, then having been raked over the coals & stultified by over regulation most tend to lose interest & give up.

 

[susie123]

What has it got to do with us ?

Sensible as always Dave - and summed up in eight words...

 

[susie123]

That has given me the best laugh I've had all day...

 

[Eric]

What has it got to do with us ? It's an American problem & it's down to their constitution the 2nd amendment, "the right to keep & bear arms" it's been around since Dec 15 1791.

Now unless the Americans change their constitution & then face down the NRA, which I very much doubt because of the weight & influence that they can bring to bear. No politico if he/she intends to stay in the game for any length of time would even contemplate these changes & challenges.

The UK has got some of the toughest gun laws & punishments possible & it still can't control the criminal gun users. So instead, Plod & the powers that be have relentlessly pursued the legal possessors, then having been raked over the coals & stultified by over regulation most tend to lose interest & give up.

That Second Amendment really has the yanks messed up, although I doubt that many of them have read it, especially the first bit: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State ....".

There are just too many of us living on this planet. And in the large cities in the West, they are living too close together .... with too much poverty and too little opportunity. And, esp. in the land of the Glock, with too many guns readily available. It amuses me that in a country with a problem with road rage, many folks can legally have a hand gun in the glove compartment. No wonder they have bumper stickers in California saying: "Cover me, I'm changing lanes" Obviously, we have problems facing us which can't easily be solved. But, some attempt at controling the sale of firearms can't hurt. But nothing will stop nut bars from showing up in places like Aurora and Dunblane, armed to the teeth, just looking for folks to kill.

Just crossed my mind that the US is only marginally safer than Syria right now

 

[MargaretR]

That has given me the best laugh I've had all day...

Perhaps your subscription to the New Scientist has lapsed.

Sign in to read: Ear recognition may beat face biometrics - tech - 23 July 2005 - New Scientist
" Ear recognition may beat face biometrics
EAR-shape analysis could be better than face recognition at automatically identifying people.
Mark Nixon, a biometrics expert at the University of Southampton, UK, has developed a technique to capture the shape of an ear and represent it in code. Unlike faces, ears do not change shape over time.
In an initial study using pictures of the ears of 63 people, Nixon and his colleague David Hurley found their method to be 99.2 per cent accurate. Nixon thinks this could be improved.
The technique could be used to identify people from CCTV footage, or incorporated into mobile phones to identify the caller, says Nixon. The study is due to be published in the journal Computer Vision and Image Understanding".

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167865511003400
Ears have rich structural features that are almost invariant with increasing age and facial expression variations. Therefore ear recognition has become an effective and appealing approach to non-contact biometric recognition.

 

[susie123]

Perhaps your subscription to the New Scientist has lapsed.

Sign in to read: Ear recognition may beat face biometrics - tech - 23 July 2005 - New Scientist
" Ear recognition may beat face biometrics
EAR-shape analysis could be better than face recognition at automatically identifying people.
Mark Nixon, a biometrics expert at the University of Southampton, UK, has developed a technique to capture the shape of an ear and represent it in code. Unlike faces, ears do not change shape over time.
In an initial study using pictures of the ears of 63 people, Nixon and his colleague David Hurley found their method to be 99.2 per cent accurate. Nixon thinks this could be improved.
The technique could be used to identify people from CCTV footage, or incorporated into mobile phones to identify the caller, says Nixon. The study is due to be published in the journal Computer Vision and Image Understanding".

ScienceDirect.com - Pattern Recognition Letters - Ear recognition based on local information fusion
Ears have rich structural features that are almost invariant with increasing age and facial expression variations. Therefore ear recognition has become an effective and appealing approach to non-contact biometric recognition.

Sorry Margaret - I'm quite happy to go along with this as a valid technique. What made me laugh was the thought of Icke and Branson having their ears compared. From your previous post I though it was the guy who came up with the videos who was responsible for the ear-matching technique, rather than the scientists you have just cited.

 

[MargaretR]

Sorry Margaret - I'm quite happy to go along with this as a valid technique. What made me laugh was the thought of Icke and Branson having their ears compared. From your previous post I though it was the guy who came up with the videos who was responsible for the ear-matching technique, rather than the scientists you have just cited.

Apology accepted - sometimes you like to be treated as our scientific wizz kid - nice of you admit that you are fallible.

I hope I spelt that right

 

[susie123]

nice of you admit that you are fallible.

Hope so, I'm only human. A very gracious post, thanks.

 

[kestrelx]

Perhaps your subscription to the New Scientist has lapsed.

Sign in to read: Ear recognition may beat face biometrics - tech - 23 July 2005 - New Scientist
" Ear recognition may beat face biometrics
EAR-shape analysis could be better than face recognition at automatically identifying people.
Mark Nixon, a biometrics expert at the University of Southampton, UK, has developed a technique to capture the shape of an ear and represent it in code. Unlike faces, ears do not change shape over time.
In an initial study using pictures of the ears of 63 people, Nixon and his colleague David Hurley found their method to be 99.2 per cent accurate. Nixon thinks this could be improved.
The technique could be used to identify people from CCTV footage, or incorporated into mobile phones to identify the caller, says Nixon. The study is due to be published in the journal Computer Vision and Image Understanding".

ScienceDirect.com - Pattern Recognition Letters - Ear recognition based on local information fusion
Ears have rich structural features that are almost invariant with increasing age and facial expression variations. Therefore ear recognition has become an effective and appealing approach to non-contact biometric recognition.

So what you saying? Branson is actually David Icke and they are one and the same carrying out two seperate existences. I don't think so really don't.

 

[MargaretR]

So what you saying? Branson is actually David Icke and they are one and the same carrying out two seperate existences. I don't think so really don't.

Neither do I.
If you look at more of his videos, the convincing ones are where he shows the same actors appearing at different media news events across USA.
Which verifies the theory that many news events are 'staged'.

 

[kestrelx]

Neither do I.
If you look at more of his videos, the convincing ones are where he shows the same actors appearing at different media news events across USA.
Which verifies the theory that many news events are 'staged'.

Mmm the video you first posted I looked at it and I didn't see the same similarity that this guy claimed! and to be honest I don't have the time to get all the video's and check the ears and decide if he is right! I just think it's too far fetched that all these news events are staged and contain the same people repeatedly. I just think it could lead someone to mental illness to keep believing that everything on the news is lies and made up of actors put there by some "secret organisation" who are doing this.

Some conspiracy people of extreme nature are saying that this latest shooting never actually happened! To say that in my view is total bonkers...

 

[MargaretR]

Some news is staged and, in that video you posted, the senate enquiry interrogation showed that to be an admitted fact.

It is called 'propaganda'.

You don't recognise it to be so if you cannot think of the reason for them doing it.

Just because you don't know a reason, doesn't mean that one wont eventually dawn on you.

 

[kestrelx]

He may be an actor like the people mentioned in this video

Filthy Actors EXPOSED! Code Pink, Loughner, Unabomber, Olimpic Park Bomber - YouTube

First off Margaret - he says this woman Lisa Fithian is this other woman a lawyer called Judith Clark - they look nothing like each other - I think the guys off his rocker. He then goes on to say she is a third person as well who looks totally different. I think he's wrong.