You are right we are more concerned with over crowding and costs, possibly if they made them more like a prison than holiday camp we would not have as many small time crooks going back, and more room to make life as you said Life.Well it will never be brought back claytonx, it wouldn't be so bad if murderer WERE sent down for life, I can never understand any judge saying I sentence you to life in prison and you'll serve a minimum of, say, 15 years, utter nonsense, say what you like about the American justice system, they do make the punishment fit the crime, pity we done follow suit here
And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?
Ya but what cleared him, DNA the same thing that is putting murderers behind bars today, I can't see the rhyme or reason for keeping the likes of Huntley behind bars living the life of Riley, 3 square a day, Sky TV Game Boy, stereo, and that's supposed to be punishmentAnd if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?

I only said threat: Plenty of appeals no doubt.And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?
Ya but what cleared him, DNA the same thing that is putting murderers behind bars today, I can't see the rhyme or reason for keeping the likes of Huntley behind bars living the life of Riley, 3 square a day, Sky TV Game Boy, stereo, and that's supposed to be punishment![]()
And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?

Very poor arguement D.N.A. was NOT available when the guy was sent down.And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?
if produced now before sentence - different altogether.And if Stefan Ivan Kiszko had been given the death penalty, what would you have said to his poor mother when he was finally cleared of Lesley Molseed's murder?
Here's a few more:
If they did work, the US wouldn't be the crime capital of the "civilized" world.Not too sure about that Eric,Somehow, I don't think "sorry, s..t happens" would cut it.Here's a few more:
Canada's wrongful convictions - Canada - CBC News
And to those, like Jaysay, who admire the American justice system: why don't capital punishment and heavy jail sentences seem to be workingIf they did work, the US wouldn't be the crime capital of the "civilized" world.
the fact yeh can buy guns like we buy sweets must contribute i reckon?
Do you think murders would be reduced if the threat of hanging was brought back. I remember life in prison was voted for instead which does not happen.
Not too sure about that Eric,the fact yeh can buy guns like we buy sweets must contribute i reckon?
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Fair point, then all canadians i ever met, aint got a John Wayne mentality, my thoughts having visited quite a few states- is half of em still think its the wild west.Canadians have guns .... lots of them ... I have six. But we don't generally drive around shooting other Canadians. If I felt like it, and had the cash to waste, I could go to the local gun store and buy as many guns as I wanted. All I need is my Firearms Aquisition Certificate. Hand guns and assault rifles, no. But it doesn't take much to cut down a shotgun, or to mickey mouse a semi-automatic so that it fires on full. The difference between the murder rates in Canada and the US can't be explained merely by citing the easier acces to firearms in the US. Detroit, just across the border from Windsor, ON, has more murders than the whole of Canada. Windsor's murder rate is around zero.

Fair point, then all canadians i ever met, aint got a John Wayne mentality, my thoughts having visited quite a few states- is half of em still think its the wild west.![]()

Not to mention the no-go areas in most of their major cities. Weird bunch south of '49.![]()

Funny that, I've bar-crawled in Harlem, walked round southside Chicago, wandered through south Memphis and not even felt slightly threatened. Maybe they could tell I was from Accy!![]()

Oh i never felt threatened n been in some pretty unusual places out yon, got the opinion from some of the conversations i had.Funny that, I've bar-crawled in Harlem, walked round southside Chicago, wandered through south Memphis and not even felt slightly threatened. Maybe they could tell I was from Accy!![]()

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