Hartlepool Match Thread
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OK so we have approximately 600. Thats 600 towards the gate even though some didn't turn up. That makes tonights attendance even worse from Accrington because it means only 240 bothered to pay on the gate, this is assuming that they all paid £20, which in reality is probably wrong as I am sure there were concessions and juniors in that 240! Don't forget, those 600 have prepaid. I am one of those 600. My original figures were on the premise that I bought my season ticket late and I was number 498.
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I paid £19 for Leicester the other week and £25 for West Brom. Stoke is £25, Hull is £16, Arsenal is £27, all Premier League teams and not much more than Accrington for pricing. In my eyes £20 is a completely wrong price for League 2 football, I wont pay it and its not hard to see why attendances are lower as we are looking at a pricing structure purely aimed at getting as much money as possible from away fans. This is to the detriment of attracting home support due to price.
Fans are secondary to tv money in the premiership. If accy got the same money as them from tv we could all get in for nowt.
A comforting thought for the next four hours until I get home from the game. Good job I bought a flexiticket and didn't have to pay £20 on top of the rest of what I've paid today
OK so we have approximately 600. Thats 600 towards the gate even though some didn't turn up. That makes tonights attendance even worse from Accrington because it means only 240 bothered to pay on the gate, this is assuming that they all paid £20, which in reality is probably wrong as I am sure there were concessions and juniors in that 240! Don't forget, those 600 have prepaid. I am one of those 600. My original figures were on the premise that I bought my season ticket late and I was number 498.
I don't think the 600 were counted, I'm guessing they only count the ones through the gate otherwise there wouldn't have been an extra few hundred had they all turned up.
The simple facts are higher league clubs get subsidised and the gate money becomes more irrelevant. The biggest earner in clubs these days is the commercial revenue. Burnley would never have got to the Premier League on gate money. Football has been killed by the corporate greed
Thought this thread was for discussing last nights game !!!
If you was a football fan after a day at work on a freezing tuesday night, would you really pay £20 to watch league 2 accrington v hartlepool in a very tinpot ground watching two out of form teams? You wouldn't.
If Stanley had no game on a Tuesday and Burnley and Blackburn were at home and they advertised there game for £20 , even with there nice stadiums etc. I just wouldn't as its just more money spent that I'd rather spend at the weekend.
In my view your not going to get new fans supporting the Stanley with a ground and set up like we have and it also hasn't helped in the past that every time we've had a few more fans come through the turnstiles we've been terrible and lost the game!
There's no attraction to Stanley on a Tuesday night.
If Stanley had no game on a Tuesday and Burnley and Blackburn were at home and they advertised there game for £20 , even with there nice stadiums etc. I just wouldn't as its just more money spent that I'd rather spend at the weekend.
In my view your not going to get new fans supporting the Stanley with a ground and set up like we have and it also hasn't helped in the past that every time we've had a few more fans come through the turnstiles we've been terrible and lost the game!
There's no attraction to Stanley on a Tuesday night.
It is but sadly the biggest headline of the night came from the attendance announcement.
Isn't that what makes Acci so unique and special?.
A football league club on our attendance's is unbelievable really.
I remember Wigan's gates being around 1500 and it was brilliant as nearly everybody new each other and stood in the same places (team was full of scousers as well !!).
Far better times than the premier league days IMHO
We even had bigger moaners than Acci have
,but all loved the club
A football league club on our attendance's is unbelievable really.
I remember Wigan's gates being around 1500 and it was brilliant as nearly everybody new each other and stood in the same places (team was full of scousers as well !!).
Far better times than the premier league days IMHO
We even had bigger moaners than Acci have
,but all loved the club
Isn't that what makes Acci so unique and special?.
A football league club on our attendance's is unbelievable really.
I remember Wigan's gates being around 1500 and it was brilliant as nearly everybody new each other and stood in the same places (team was full of scousers as well !!).
Far better times than the premier league days IMHO
We even had bigger moaners than Acci have
Unfortunately, these days, being unique and special doesn't pay the bills.
To my mind there are two things that Stanley could do to possibly up the gates and these are: play some home matches on Friday nights and secondly, lower the ridiculously high entrance fee. Thee are few people in my local who would like to watch Stanley, especially if they played on Friday but are put off from going on a Saturday because of the cost.
I disagree, travel for a night game is far harder especially for me and a lot of away fans. There may have been more at the game had it been a Saturday especially from Hartlepool. I would hazard a guess that Morecambe would probably be a bigger crowd on a Saturday as well plus more people in the Crown for longer.
It's been argued many times about the high price but if you lower it too much then it defeats the purpose. We would have needed nearly 2000 there last night to generate the same income and that was never going to happen.
I think the £20 walk on price was primarily aimed at generating more money from away fans on the premise that a fiver won't stop them coming and the core 1200 Stanley would be either season tickets or would come regardless.
100 hartlepool fans last night drew in £2000 tops as opposed to £1500 tops if it was £15.
that £500 is 35 walk ons at £15 for the home end. Would we have done that. More than likely.
100 hartlepool fans last night drew in £2000 tops as opposed to £1500 tops if it was £15.
that £500 is 35 walk ons at £15 for the home end. Would we have done that. More than likely.
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Wouldn't dispute that but putting prices up is purely aimed at skimming away fans and that wont help increase gates in the long term, only way to start growing attendances is to charge a reasonable price and put some marketing into it as well as continuously plugging away at getting kids from schools in with their parents.
Simply increasing walk ons to £20 will alienate Burnley fans who support Accy as their second team. I am in that category and I wont pay £20 to walk on as I think its too expensive.
Over the past few years I've taken an interest every incentive going has probably been tried.
First and foremost a succesful team is the biggest crowd puller.
The question then becomes how to increase the revenue to pay for that. The odd few extra on the gate isn't going to do that.
First and foremost a succesful team is the biggest crowd puller.
The question then becomes how to increase the revenue to pay for that. The odd few extra on the gate isn't going to do that.
And the home fans without season tickets didn't pay the extra fiver too? now you could be up to over 100 extra fans needed. Do you then go back to categorising games and charge less for games like last night all to get a few extra who may or may not come again.
Attendances are always going to be affected by people who cant get there for various reasons. I said when the prices were announced that I thought it was too high but financially what else can they do to raise money given that we have a core support, away fans and however many may want to come on the night.
You can't base the business plan on half a dozen people who might decide to leave the pub on a cold night with Champions League football for a fiver less than just now.
The club tried a fiver for wimbledon two years ago and while there was a bigger crowd than usual the gate money would have been more at £20 with the usual crowd.
I like a lot of others don,t no the fix to increase walk on,s apart from being top of the league, but I do think our facilities as said by others don,t entice people on a cold Tuesday night, but how do we improve these when you are always skint,plus other clubs midweek suffer poorer gates look at Morecame last night in the play off,s no idea how many York fans but only 400 more on than us.