Honour Killing.

But Shaker, the muslim belief is supposed to be about peace and kindness......I'm sure there is nothing in the religious book which authorises or condones murder of this nature....culture should not be allowed to excuse or condone it either.

It's the same with the Bible which condones war in several places yet is seen as the beacon of truth by millions.
There's a lot of differing interpretations of the Qur'an, the majority believe it promotes peace, but there is a select few (obviously, it's on sky news 24/7) who believe it encourages things like holy war.
 
I actually wasn't talking about the issue of war......which does get coverage in both of the holy books......I was talking of Murder......one human being killing another in cold blood.
I know that in war human beings kill one another in cold blood, but it is usually done under orders from the state/government, except of course for what some muslims will see as a war against non-believers (infidels).....and I think that is different.
 
I actually wasn't talking about the issue of war......which does get coverage in both of the holy books......I was talking of Murder......one human being killing another in cold blood.
I know that in war human beings kill one another in cold blood, but it is usually done under orders from the state/government, except of course for what some muslims will see as a war against non-believers (infidels).....and I think that is different.

I'm sorry, killing in war & killing 'in cold blood' is exactly the same to me.
Both completely unjust for whatever reason.
But hey, that's just me :rolleyes:


...& I apologize for wandering again.
 
Christians go by the commandment 'thou shalt not kill', yet in the same publication we see that Abraham was more than ready to sacrifice his son to prove his faith in God.

Abraham is a prophet of Judaism and Islam too ;)

As a Christian it is my belief that God was showing Abraham an example of what he would do by sacrificing his son, Jesus Christ for the sins of all mankind.
 
Christians go by the commandment 'thou shalt not kill', yet in the same publication we see that Abraham was more than ready to sacrifice his son to prove his faith in God.

sorry , dont wish to appear pedantic , but I dont think Abraham was actually a Christian , think you will find he predates them by a few hundred years :D :D
 
Because the Jews still did sacrificial lambs. This was before the Atonement and that's what they did. Jesus did away with all that. So you can't hold Christians responsible for something which predates Christianity and which their founder abolished.
 
Iran may be disgusted at the use of a woman soldier, but in many of the middle east countries women serve alongside men in arena's of war.

Iran in fact has several Womens combat battalions, I think the problem arose because the British woman was a mother of a young child and it was percieved by the Iranians as form of child abandonment .

;)
 
if your culture dictates honor killing in these circumstances, then these people should sod of to where that culture is acceptable, cos it aint here.:(
 
if your culture dictates honor killing in these circumstances, then these people should sod of to where that culture is acceptable, cos it aint here.:(

That just about sums it up, I can tolerate some-one having a different point of view, (call it religion if you want), but to kill your own daughter for whatever reason just beggers belief! Any parent will tell you that children can be most annoying especially when they go against your own way of living, but to kill them? That deserves no forgiveness no matter which book you read.
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It's very hard for people in the West with our society's traditional norms and values to understand the seemingly barbaric act of an 'honour killing'.

Sorry, Shakey, but I don't hold with this "we mustn't be judgemental about other people's cultures" stuff, when it comes to situations like this. Killing your daughter is not "seemingly barbaric", it IS barbaric, evil and totally unpardonable, no matter what your culture, race or religion. And any culture which regards it as acceptable is degenerate and wicked. End of.
 
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That's half the problem. Britain has bent over backwards to accomodate all kinds of practices of different cultures in the name of Political Correctness. Nobody's had the guts to stand up and say, "You're here now, you do it our way".

We once had an empire that encompassed much of the Indian subcontinent. One of the common Hindu customs was Suttee, which meant that when a man died and was cremated his widow was supposed to throw herself (or be thrown) on the funeral pyre and be burnt to death. The British Empire made it illegal and, eventually, it was stopped.

Today we are aware of these so-called "honour" murders but we persist in almost dignifying them by referring to them with the word honour. We stand by while young women and girls are treated, in their homes, like 2nd class citizens. We tolerate women (if we can be sure they are all women) walking around covered from head to foot, though we'll ban a small child from a shopping mall because he has his anorak hood on his head.

Maybe if this country stopped trying to be all things to all men, maybe if we said, "Live like us, look like us, do as we do - or leave", it might help to stop the worst excesses of these "cultures". Go to Saudi Arabia and try to live, dress and behave exactly as you do here. I can assure you, having lived there myself, you won't last long.
 
OK, Shakey, maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

To be honest, I don't mind people coming to this country and retaining their own culture and there are certainly aspects of British culture that I prefer they didn't adopt - go into any town/city centre late on a Saturday night and you'll see what I mean!

However, when immigrant culture contains practices that we regard as unacceptable - so-called "honour" killings, forced marriage, suppression of women, intolerance towards gayness, then we should stop all this namby pamby, liberal guilt-ridden, shilly shallying and say "no, this is wrong!"
 
Exactly Wynonie.
Different cultures should be accepted and encouraged within our society, however they should adhere to the laws of the state primarily.
 
The men is this so called 'culture' ruled their women with fear and exerted a medieval control over them. The local Kurdish community must also shoulder some of the responsibility for the happenings, as they tried to close ranks and cover up the crime. They also spied on the girl and reported her actions to her male relatives, fully knowing what the outcome would be.
 
These victims of the so called honour slayings are betrayed by their own families and by the authorities who promote multi-culturism at any cost.
Imagine the terror of these girls in knowing what the future holds.
 
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