Willow I agree with everything you have put in your post and far from taking Karma I couldn't give some (karma that is!!) quick enough, well done!
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Thank you harwood red, but as I guessed someone else didn't agree with you and I and has deducted karma points from me, I wonder if whoever did that would care to put forward their point of view?
WillowTheWhisp said:
cowards that's why. Did they give a reason why if not a name??
Well if you can call this a reason:
WillowTheWhisp said:
Idiotic coward, go on take some of me now!!!!
Hi folks and willow i agree with your sentiments entirly, i was at work (as now) and dont always have time to do full posts.
Am not sure what your on about with Karma points (not looked at site enough yet) but if i can give you any i would like to know how to give some to you.
Yes we have a diverse community both local and national and for most of the time we live and respect each others way of thinking and life and i hope that will continue, may workload is bad enough without having to deal with racial/regelious fallings out.
I feel sorry for the friends and families of these men who blew themselves up just as i feel sorry for the friends and families of the people who died through their actions. let us just hope that this is the last time anything like this happens (but i doubt it looking on news arson attacks on mosque somewhere).
Am not sure what your on about with Karma points (not looked at site enough yet) but if i can give you any i would like to know how to give some to you.
Yes we have a diverse community both local and national and for most of the time we live and respect each others way of thinking and life and i hope that will continue, may workload is bad enough without having to deal with racial/regelious fallings out.
I feel sorry for the friends and families of these men who blew themselves up just as i feel sorry for the friends and families of the people who died through their actions. let us just hope that this is the last time anything like this happens (but i doubt it looking on news arson attacks on mosque somewhere).
To the person who deducted karma points from me for this thread with the statement "all religion should be banned" I would like to say that I am sorry you feel that way but how pathetic to deduct karma points from me for post #18 in this thread and give that for the reason.
Earlier today Mez was telling me what a great bunch of people AccyWebbers are and how glad people are that they attend the "get togethers" when they do.
It would appear that not all AccyWebbers are such great people.
By all means choose not to follow any religion at all if you so wish but you have no right to demand the imposition of a religion ban on all humanity. Look what that has led to elsewhere.
I may not agree with some other people's religious views or way of life but I would defend their right to have those views and to live that way provided that by doing so it harms no-one.
BY all means choose not to follow any religion yourself but you have no right to demand a ban on all religion just because you don't believe in anything. I have no objection to you not wanting to believe in anything but I have very strong objections to your wish to ban my beliefs or those of anyone else.
As for you feeling that your viewpoint is justification for the deduction of karma points all I can say is that it's a pity you didn't post your opinion in the thread so that you could have had your karma adjusted accordingly by those who disagree with you.
Earlier today Mez was telling me what a great bunch of people AccyWebbers are and how glad people are that they attend the "get togethers" when they do.
It would appear that not all AccyWebbers are such great people.
By all means choose not to follow any religion at all if you so wish but you have no right to demand the imposition of a religion ban on all humanity. Look what that has led to elsewhere.
I may not agree with some other people's religious views or way of life but I would defend their right to have those views and to live that way provided that by doing so it harms no-one.
BY all means choose not to follow any religion yourself but you have no right to demand a ban on all religion just because you don't believe in anything. I have no objection to you not wanting to believe in anything but I have very strong objections to your wish to ban my beliefs or those of anyone else.
As for you feeling that your viewpoint is justification for the deduction of karma points all I can say is that it's a pity you didn't post your opinion in the thread so that you could have had your karma adjusted accordingly by those who disagree with you.
Must have missed this thread and just caught up with it, all I can add is when we had the two minutes silence at work last week a small group of muslims went out of their way to spoil the silence, they said it was their right to do so, would anyone of you like to defend that point of view to me.
In that case they were showing disrespect to all who died, including a muslim woman.
There were also muslims who did share in the two minutes silence, and non-muslims who didn't.
The people who didn't show respect by joining in and who went out of their way to point out to others that they felt they had every right not to do so sadly are the type of people who will perpetuate divisions in the community.
As I said earlier I hope that we can all work together to build a future but there will always be people who just don't want to co-operate with others for whatever selfish or misguided reason. It saddens me that there are such people but it's even evident in a small community like AccyWeb.
There were also muslims who did share in the two minutes silence, and non-muslims who didn't.
The people who didn't show respect by joining in and who went out of their way to point out to others that they felt they had every right not to do so sadly are the type of people who will perpetuate divisions in the community.
As I said earlier I hope that we can all work together to build a future but there will always be people who just don't want to co-operate with others for whatever selfish or misguided reason. It saddens me that there are such people but it's even evident in a small community like AccyWeb.
Ber999T said:
I don't know that ID cards wowuld work in these circumstances but deportation seems such an obvious option for anyone who is outspoken against this country and inciting others to acts of violence. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be aviable option because the European courts intervene and when this country has tried to deport someone we've been stopped because it interferes with their human rights! That's ludicrous.
I also think that it should be pointed out to anyone wishing to leave this country to visit a country which is known to encourage suicide bombers and train peopl to attack from within that by all means they may choose to go, just so long as they realise that once they've gone they will not be allowed to return here again - ever. Of course the European courts would only stick an unwelcome oar in there again but I think we need to be able to stand up for ourselves and protect ourselves.
It may seem a small drop in the ocean but it's where these things seem to start.
Bagpuss said:
Pity you didn't have the right to beat the s**t out of them. No one should belittle or condemn another for holding different religious views. No matter what your following you should show respect for others, when you can do that you can start to change things. However, respect of another’s religion stops when that religion is corrupted and used to meet the ends of the Animals that perpetrated the London Bombings. Bugpuss, did no one ask them about showing respect for their own “True Muslim” dead.
Most of the families of the bombers in today's papers were saying they, the bombers must have been brainwashed.
Poppycock.
It must be hard for them loosing one of their own kith and kin, and knowing they also took so many innocent lives along with their own. One of their Uncle's is quoted as saying his nephew was a good lad, but because of oppression it was inevitable some young Muslims would fight back.
Poppycock.
Poppycock.
It must be hard for them loosing one of their own kith and kin, and knowing they also took so many innocent lives along with their own. One of their Uncle's is quoted as saying his nephew was a good lad, but because of oppression it was inevitable some young Muslims would fight back.
Poppycock.
What did you expect its Accy you can't go in to a pub or chippy with out hearing any one moaning, its part of growing up in the area if you went in with a smile on your face people would say whats wrong with you, what are you hiding? I called my Dad tonight first words out of his mouth "Bloody pub had no mild tonight", it one reason that the quickest, most sarcastic and funniest people you will meet will be from the North West.
It is inevitable that some people will be afraid of all muslims after what has gone on, but the world is not a safe place. It is very hard to legislate against people who were brought up here and then go on and commit atrocities.
ID cards wouldn't work...and even Charles Clark admits that they would have been no use in this situation.
The services that support ID cards are ineffective(the card readers which translate the information on the card are currently only recognising 68% of holders)......you can bet that the criminal fraternity is already working on formats to clone ID cards AND super-impose their own fraudulent fingerprints and iris scans onto these cards. God forbid if someone stole your identity and super-imposed a set of someone elses biometric details onto the cloned card........you would end up stateless.....wandering forever without an identity.
ID cards are just another Big Brother attempt to impose more restrictions......oh , yeah and charge us for the privelege. I think I will be going to Jail.
ID cards wouldn't work...and even Charles Clark admits that they would have been no use in this situation.
The services that support ID cards are ineffective(the card readers which translate the information on the card are currently only recognising 68% of holders)......you can bet that the criminal fraternity is already working on formats to clone ID cards AND super-impose their own fraudulent fingerprints and iris scans onto these cards. God forbid if someone stole your identity and super-imposed a set of someone elses biometric details onto the cloned card........you would end up stateless.....wandering forever without an identity.
ID cards are just another Big Brother attempt to impose more restrictions......oh , yeah and charge us for the privelege. I think I will be going to Jail.
Willow, as always......you are the voice of reason and common sense (which sometimes doesn't seem so common) I tried to give you some Karma for your posts.....but I have to spread it around a bit first.........but I will keep you in mind when I can give some.
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Twisted Bakri, 45, pinned responsibility for the al-Qaeda Tube and bus bombings on voters who re-elected the Prime Minister last May. He said yesterday: “I blame the British government and I blame the British people. The British people did not make enough effort to stop its government committing atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan.”Syrian-born Bakri’s rant came as a newspaper found a taped message in which he called on followers to “sacrifice their lives” and turn Britain into an Islamic state. Bakri is protected by Human Rights laws. But Shadow defence minister Gerald Howarth said: “There is no way to get rid of him.”
Now the really good news...Bakri has raked in more than £275,000 in state handouts, claiming about £300-a-week income support. His rent is subsidised on his home in Edmonton, North London. Last night the cleric’s sidekick Anjem Choudary said suicide bombings were justified He said: “Nobody has yet pointed the finger at Tony Blair for his nasty policies in Iraq. If they continue the same foreign policy, we can expect more of the same.”
Under Europe’s Human Rights Convention ministers say they can’t deport Bakri to Syria unless officials there guarantee he won’t be killed.
His Actual rant.....
“I blame the British government and the British people. The Government has said, ‘You are with us or with terrorism’. I don’t think that is the way forward. The British people showed Tony Blair full support when they elected him again after he waged the latest Iraq war.”
“We’re going to incite people to do jihad (Holy War).”
He said: “We will conquer the White House. It will be no surprise that we will be in charge and Muslims will control the earth.”
He added: “Let your death occur in the battlefield. If you make yourself available to Jihad He will accept you as Shaheed (a martyr).”
Now the really good news...Bakri has raked in more than £275,000 in state handouts, claiming about £300-a-week income support. His rent is subsidised on his home in Edmonton, North London. Last night the cleric’s sidekick Anjem Choudary said suicide bombings were justified He said: “Nobody has yet pointed the finger at Tony Blair for his nasty policies in Iraq. If they continue the same foreign policy, we can expect more of the same.”
Under Europe’s Human Rights Convention ministers say they can’t deport Bakri to Syria unless officials there guarantee he won’t be killed.
His Actual rant.....
“I blame the British government and the British people. The Government has said, ‘You are with us or with terrorism’. I don’t think that is the way forward. The British people showed Tony Blair full support when they elected him again after he waged the latest Iraq war.”
“We’re going to incite people to do jihad (Holy War).”
He said: “We will conquer the White House. It will be no surprise that we will be in charge and Muslims will control the earth.”
He added: “Let your death occur in the battlefield. If you make yourself available to Jihad He will accept you as Shaheed (a martyr).”
It was on the news, HEs NOT COMMING hereBazf said:How does this happen? when are the airy fairy do gooders going to learn? Woops this may be negative, Lucky I posted it before the 18th.
Egyptian-born Tariq Ramadan has been banned from the US for endorsing terrorism. France has also barred him. An Islamic academic who says suicide bombings are justified will preach to young Muslims in London at a conference funded by British taxpayers,