Intolerance

Here we go again!!!!
As you know Garinda Len decided to close the thread, he wasn't promted! As for personal digs, what about the ones about punctuation,spelling and grammer??? It really is seen as bad practice in a forum, and i don't just mean this one! In my oppinion the thraed was a good debate and it got petty, lets try to avoid letting this one go the same way.
And before anybody startsto rant and rave, this is my oppinion and i'm sure were all entitled aren't we???
 
I did make a joke about expat getting my name wrong and punctuation, it was called humour, he answered a question that didn't make sense and ended it with a comma like he forgot the last bit that would have concluded his argument.

I still think debate is right, and I have obvuiously struck a nerve about using friendship with the mods to close threads that I still feel was in no way a personal attack.

When people decided to discuss my personal life in threads I didn't feel the need to go bleating to get them closed, I asked for it to be moved to general tchat so more people could read my thoughts on the issue.

If all this forum is about is silly issues and not open debate, good luck.
 
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And that ones called PERSONAL CHOICE!!! You asked for it to be moved and discussed further, he obviously didnt want to.
 
I have suggested that they should open up a forum called Wanna Argue I think it would be good fun and people could vote on whose winning the Argument
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What a brilliant idea! This has my whole-hearted support. How about it, Roy????
 
Looks like I opened the biggest can of worms around. I have speed read my way through and find that the posts are refecting peoples opinions with little or no sniping about what people post. Now that is tolerance and how I belive it should be in the wider world.

Willow said "I believe it's perfectly possible to tolerate another person's viewpoint and still strongly maintain your own" As soon as we forget this then it falls into a chasm of hatred and ill will and all because we have become narrow minded. Yes we can be patriotic yes we love are country and flags and footy are part of that. we have saints days so why as a multiculturel society can we not have special days for the other faiths. If the road of banning them because they are in England does that mean that as thee hub of the UK we get rid of Sts. Andrews Davids and Patricks days. This country was multicultural before the West Indian Asian and African immigarations. These peoples countries sent soldiers to die along side of the Brits in wars that were not theirs and yet we kick them at every oportunity after they helped us.

Lets live together and learn because oneday we might need the same people that are being baited. Yes they will have to learn to intigrate but that does not meen they have to give up their core beliefs. Trying to isolate them will give us the same headache the USA had up until the 1960's with the afro american section of their society.
 
Spuggie, I don't think anyone is trying to stop them having their core beliefs....and they do have their own religious days too.....when Ramadan is over you will see many shops that will be wishing the ethnic community a happy Eid. I certainly have no arguments with that, but when we start calling our Christmas 'Winterfest' to supposedly protect these people from cultural insult(or alleged cultural insult) it we who are being racist against ourselves.

Frequently the ethnic incomers are given assistance over the indigent population......this is an insult to us too. I worked in the NHS and for all the time that I was in that organisation the muslim staff were given their religious festivities off.....yet I was expected to work my Christmas.....do they suppose that as a Christian my faith is less valid....? I knew when I joined the NHS that I would have to make some sacrifices...and I really didn't mind doing my share..... but then maybe muslims should be happy to do the same.
Yet, I believe we are the most tolerant nation on earth.....or maybe it is apathy.
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
Spuggie, I don't think anyone is trying to stop them having their core beliefs....and they do have their own religious days too.....when Ramadan is over you will see many shops that will be wishing the ethnic community a happy Eid. I certainly have no arguments with that, but when we start calling our Christmas 'Winterfest' to supposedly protect these people from cultural insult(or alleged cultural insult) it we who are being racist against ourselves.

Frequently the ethnic incomers are given assistance over the indigent population......this is an insult to us too. I worked in the NHS and for all the time that I was in that organisation the muslim staff were given their religious festivities off.....yet I was expected to work my Christmas.....do they suppose that as a Christian my faith is less valid....? I knew when I joined the NHS that I would have to make some sacrifices...and I really didn't mind doing my share..... but then maybe muslims should be happy to do the same.
Yet, I believe we are the most tolerant nation on earth.....or maybe it is apathy.
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Excellent point I think you have hit the nail on the head there Margaret!!
 
This has been a good debate bar one person and I know who you are. People like you are the reason we have these problems!
 
Margaret I work for the NHS and I too have witnessed all Muslims being given Eid off work, even though it made us short staffed, last year though, their leave was restricted too (in our department anyway), it should be the same for all throughout in my opinion.
 
The nation I admire most for being so multi-cultural yet still retaining their patriotism is the Americans. They fly their star spangled banner at every opportunity without any retribution, we fly the Union Jack we get accused of supporting a far wing extremist group ... time to get a grip I think.
 
The Americans learnt the hard way but now show they have matured enough to be in the position they are and proud of it. Will this country ever learn?
 
SPUGGIE J said:
The afro-american rights of the 50's and 60's.
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Ok cheers Spug I see were your coming from but I disagree that it was the Americans that learnt the hard way that's why I asked.

I think the minority at the time adapted to the American way of life, not the American man feeling alienated in his own country. Yes although they have black, espanic ghettos in America these minorities also fly the American flag with pride alongside their native countries flag.
 
The Americans are probably the most hated country in the world...that boils down to jealousy.The United Kingdom,this little place smaller than some US states used to rule almost a third of the planet.Now we are a dumping ground for people after an easy ride.If I wave a St Georges Flag and it offends someone then great,I will carry on waving it because I know that person is jealous,jealous because whatever crap this country has turned into I will always love it.Therefore anyone who I feel is coming to this country for an easy ride I will detest.They don't love this country.
 
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The Americans are probably the most hated country in the world...that boils down to jealousy.The United Kingdom,this little place smaller than some US states used to rule almost a third of the planet.Now we are a dumping ground for people after an easy ride.If I wave a St Georges Flag and it offends someone then great,I will carry on waving it because I know that person is jealous,jealous because whatever crap this country has turned into I will always love it.Therefore anyone who I feel is coming to this country for an easy ride I will detest.They don't love this country.
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Just a note, even at it's largest the British Empire never covered a third of the globe, it was about a quarter.
 
A quarter, a third, six and seven eighths or half a pound, it does not matter, it was still a hell of a big place for such a small country to govern. It was a stunning achievement. Great Britain has done more than any other nation to foster and promulgate the priciples and ideals of democracy throughout the world. Our Imperial past is something that we should be proud of.
 
The US flag used to be prominent in classrooms over there. I've heard this is no longer the case. Could it be that they are in danger of sliding down the slippery slope along with us now?
 
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