John Leslie

Lilly said:
As I said in a previous post, I can see how long term, regular rapes / abuse can be detected and prosecuted but what evidence would there be of a rape that only happened once, many years ago? :confused:
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In the majority of cases just the very vivid memory of the rape from the victim, these brutes who commit these terrible acts seem to have very selective memories about what has or has not occurred. The victims on the other hand can recall every last horrendous moment of the attack.
 
Royboy39 said:
Ye but......In your younger days...if a young attractive woman crawled under your desk and took charge of proceedings....who are we to look a gift horse in the mouth?....would you thow your shreddies away?
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Not to sure about that Roy.. known a few dogs..but a Horse? ..sounds a bit pervy mate!
 
I can't remember John Leslie being charged, he attended a police station with his solicitor for a pre-arranged appointment. It appears that the story was leaked to the press by some one from the police. If a complaint is made the police are duty bound to invetigate, except if you and me are broken into, then they just give you a crime number over the phone:rolleyes:
There was a solicitor on TV this morning who said after all this time he didn't think that he could receive a fair trial, it does seem funny to me that any woman would waite 13 years to report such a serious crime.
 
It's not the 13 years that surprises me, it's the fact that she didn't come forward when all the others came out of the woodwork. Why now? She'd have stood more chance of being believed if she'd have come forward when the others did.
 
If this woman had come out with this tale 13 years ago, she would have just been accused of jumping on the band wagon then. Even now, people are suspect.

From what I have read about it, specific details have been brought to light making the police take more notice. Yes it may be a scam, but I dont think that the time delay is particularly an argument for it. At the time, he was a prominant tv personlaity, able to employ the tichest lawyers and having a great public following behind him. I wouldnt like to go up against that.

Many rapes go un-reported, for fear of reprisal or the fact that rape trials are gruesome things to go through. This man is either very unlucky or has a problem with the word 'no'. He has been accused three times of this now.
 
Hummmm, so here is a man who has been found guilty of no crime, but has lost his career and is now an outcast. Mr Leslie's personal and sex life are no ones concern, as long as it is all consenting adults...but he is hated by many people????
However a certain Mr Barrymore is still loved, by some and trying to resurrect his career.
Hollywood film producer the Late Don Simpson was a brutal sexual predator, had a great career (produced The Rock, Flashdance, Top Gun...) heavy drug user, but his career was never in doubt.
The mind boggles
 
Boeing Guy said:
Hummmm, so here is a man who has been found guilty of no crime, but has lost his career and is now an outcast. Mr Leslie's personal and sex life are no ones concern, as long as it is all consenting adults...but he is hated by many people????
However a certain Mr Barrymore is still loved, by some and trying to resurrect his career.
Hollywood film producer the Late Don Simpson was a brutal sexual predator, had a great career (produced The Rock, Flashdance, Top Gun...) heavy drug user, but his career was never in doubt.
The mind boggles
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As far as I know the only people who love Michael Barrymore, besides himself, are the press.

Though I agree, John Leslie is innocent until proven guilty.
 
if this woman is lying she shoud be made an example of by the courts , have her family dragged through the gutter in the tabloids and maybe just maybe it will make anyone else whos thinking of accusing him of rape think twice before trying to cash in

unlrika johnson could have put a stop to all this years ago by saying it wasnt him who raped her but she kept quiet because all the controversy sold her book even more and to be quite honest i doubt she was ever raped at all but as long as we only have her word for it we will never know but im inclined to think the slapper made it up to make her book more juicy
 
accyman said:
if this woman is lying she shoud be made an example of by the courts , have her family dragged through the gutter in the tabloids and maybe just maybe it will make anyone else whos thinking of accusing him of rape think twice before trying to cash in

unlrika johnson could have put a stop to all this years ago by saying it wasnt him who raped her but she kept quiet because all the controversy sold her book even more and to be quite honest i doubt she was ever raped at all but as long as we only have her word for it we will never know but im inclined to think the slapper made it up to make her book more juicy
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Could well have a point there accyman, nothing sells better than a good sex scandle story
 
accyman said:
if this woman is lying she shoud be made an example of by the courts , have her family dragged through the gutter in the tabloids and maybe just maybe it will make anyone else whos thinking of accusing him of rape think twice before trying to cash in

unlrika johnson could have put a stop to all this years ago by saying it wasnt him who raped her but she kept quiet because all the controversy sold her book even more and to be quite honest i doubt she was ever raped at all but as long as we only have her word for it we will never know but im inclined to think the slapper made it up to make her book more juicy
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If that happened no body would ever report rapes in case they were accused of lying.....
 
emamum23 said:
If that happened no body would ever report rapes in case they were accused of lying.....
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if rape couldnt be proven then there would be no people in prison serving convictions for commiting rape

if just one woman was publicly shamed and hounded by the press to the extent their career ended , their family disowned them ,they were spat at in the street , their homes vandalised and driven to a nervous break down then maybe others thinking of covering up a one night stand by screaming rape will think better of it

it knocks me sick how a vindictive woman can destroy a mans life and walk out of court scott free after saying she made it all up and is sorry

there should be severe conciquences for women who lie about rape but their isnt :mad:
 
I agree with accyman. And look at it this way too - all the women who cry 'rape' when what they really mean is "We had a one night stand. I thought it was love but he never phoned me again." are belittling the ordeal which has been suffered by those who really have been raped but are afraid of reporting it in case they are thought of as liars too.
 
It's probably not politically correct to say this but I think there should be very different distinctions made between rape and forced sex.

Rape - is something brutal and unexpected. It is when a man rarely or has never met the woman involved i.e. has attacked her in the street. It is when the woman has no choice, no options and has not been involved with the attacker.

Forced sex - is also wrong shouldn't be tolerated or allowed to be a lesser charge but some responsibility must be placed on the woman involved too. No means no! But some consideration should be made for the alcohol involved, the relationship and the prior contact between the two.

I say this because I too, believe it's wrong that a man can be accused of rape and his name made public when the woman can hide her identity. Forced sex should be treated as a dispute and both parties should be treated equally.
 
Gayle said:
It's probably not politically correct to say this but I think there should be very different distinctions made between rape and forced sex.

Rape - is something brutal and unexpected. It is when a man rarely or has never met the woman involved i.e. has attacked her in the street. It is when the woman has no choice, no options and has not been involved with the attacker.

Forced sex - is also wrong shouldn't be tolerated or allowed to be a lesser charge but some responsibility must be placed on the woman involved too. No means no! But some consideration should be made for the alcohol involved, the relationship and the prior contact between the two.

I say this because I too, believe it's wrong that a man can be accused of rape and his name made public when the woman can hide her identity. Forced sex should be treated as a dispute and both parties should be treated equally.
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Good post, Gayle. :)

I tried to send you karma just then but it wouldn't let me.
 
Gayle said:
It's probably not politically correct to say this but I think there should be very different distinctions made between rape and forced sex.

Rape - is something brutal and unexpected. It is when a man rarely or has never met the woman involved i.e. has attacked her in the street. It is when the woman has no choice, no options and has not been involved with the attacker.

Forced sex - is also wrong shouldn't be tolerated or allowed to be a lesser charge but some responsibility must be placed on the woman involved too. No means no! But some consideration should be made for the alcohol involved, the relationship and the prior contact between the two.

I say this because I too, believe it's wrong that a man can be accused of rape and his name made public when the woman can hide her identity. Forced sex should be treated as a dispute and both parties should be treated equally.
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Its a long time since an opioion was expressed so openly and frankly, and in my mind very correctly. In any rape case a man should not be named until after any trial, if he's guilty then by all means name him, but why ruin his life if he's not guilty.
 
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