Katrina- Aftermath

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cashman

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weve all seen the devastation caused by sundays hurricane in the usa, what i can,t understand is when these disasters occur in the world,Britain, and other countries usually within 48 hrs announce that they are sending aid teams etc to assist= as in the tsunami in the far east, subs at the bottom of the sea etc, sofar i have not heard one country announce anything, WHY? is it cos the usa is the richest country in the world? cos if thats the reason something is sadly wrong in my view. AID means for anyone surely! these people in this catastrophe certainly are not all rich. plus its obvious to anyone watching the news although the usa government are doing all they can,the magnitude of whats happened is to much to deal with this as quickly as they would like, i always thought we were allies! :confused:
 
Maybe cause america is way too big headed and believes it "doesn't need help" blah blah blah america is so0o0o great , we can do it all ourselfs.

America's pride is going to be the death of them, personally I don't care it's there own fault.
 
Samael said:
Maybe cause america is way too big headed and believes it "doesn't need help" blah blah blah america is so0o0o great , we can do it all ourselfs.

America's pride is going to be the death of them, personally I don't care it's there own fault.
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What a complete pratt!!!!!!!!!
 
Cashman and myself spoke about this over a brew this afternoon.

The people who are suffering may live in the richest country in the world, but a lot of them aren't rich and have lost everything and will face weeks if not months before basic ammenities are restored.

All this plus the threat of disease, a tragedy, the people sheltering in the Super Bowl in unbearable heat and no sanitation was heartbreaking.
 
Samael said:
Maybe cause america is way too big headed and believes it "doesn't need help" blah blah blah america is so0o0o great , we can do it all ourselfs.

America's pride is going to be the death of them, personally I don't care it's there own fault.
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Sam, you really need to start putting your brain into gear before setting your mouth in motion.
 
cashman said:
weve all seen the devastation caused by sundays hurricane in the usa, what i can,t understand is when these disasters occur in the world,Britain, and other countries usually within 48 hrs announce that they are sending aid teams etc to assist= as in the tsunami in the far east, subs at the bottom of the sea etc, sofar i have not heard one country announce anything, WHY? is it cos the usa is the richest country in the world? cos if thats the reason something is sadly wrong in my view. AID means for anyone surely! these people in this catastrophe certainly are not all rich. plus its obvious to anyone watching the news although the usa government are doing all they can,the magnitude of whats happened is to much to deal with this as quickly as they would like, i always thought we were allies! :confused:
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Actually Cashman, offers have come in from countries throughout the world and I'm sure the people of the northern Gulf Coast are very grateful for that. It really was a disaster of immense proportions and is said to be the greatest natural disaster ever in the USA. Your concern does you great credit, thank you.
 
Samael said:
Maybe cause america is way too big headed and believes it "doesn't need help" blah blah blah america is so0o0o great , we can do it all ourselfs.

America's pride is going to be the death of them, personally I don't care it's there own fault.
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That's just plain sick, suffering is suffering wherever people live.

Your comments about friends is sadly starting to make sense.
 
Katrina as junior Bush would say is an act of god and nothing to do with global warming (alledgedlly). Unfortunatley it is the poor and helpless who suffer which in the richest country is a disgrace. Less war and more money to stop this happening is a priority. Peoples life is the most valuable thing there is. :(
 
garinda said:
Cashman and myself spoke about this over a brew this afternoon.

The people who are suffering may live in the richest country in the world, but a lot of them aren't rich and have lost everything and will face weeks if not months before basic ammenities are restored.

All this plus the threat of disease, a tragedy, the people sheltering in the Super Bowl in unbearable heat and no sanitation was heartbreaking.
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Your are quite right, about 28% of people who live in the New Orleans area are below the poverty line and although there was a mandatory evacuation of the city, many of these people had no real means to get out. The authorities would be well advised to fill the area in and build the city somewhere else, ie. not below sea level and not surrounded on three sides by bodies of water.

Two people actually died in the bowl where they were sheltering because, although the building was designed to withstand 200 mph winds, part of the roof came off. These poor souls are now being transferred by buses to a similar bowl in Houston, Texas in order to take them away from the obvious dangers of falling masonary and disease. It's a very sad state of affairs.:(
 
Bazf, just of interest this is the biggest item of news here since the 7/7 bombings, so we are seeing lots of pictures.


On a slightly different note, us not forget that this is still only half way through the hurricane season & given the current high water temperature in the mid-west atlantic the probability of another one of these is very high. I know you and JohnW are right in the main path so best of luck!
 
JohnW said:
Actually Cashman, offers have come in from countries throughout the world and I'm sure the people of the northern Gulf Coast are very grateful for that. It really was a disaster of immense proportions and is said to be the greatest natural disaster ever in the USA. Your concern does you great credit, thank you.
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thats heartening to hear john, just havent heard anything on british tv about any aid offers,despite the immense coverage the disasters had. as weve been out there a couple of times since 9/11, we found the the southerns states people really friendly and helpful,and its really grieving us. and i can,t bring myself to respond in the thread to those stupid comments,cos if ido i will no doubt be banned from the site. :mad:
 
Charity begins at home regardless of who needs it. The media will only show what they think we want to see, selective amnisia would be the best discription. When a disaster happens we should all rally round as we could be next and how would we feel in that position.
 
Tealeaf said:
Bazf, just of interest this is the biggest item of news here since the 7/7 bombings, so we are seeing lots of pictures.


On a slightly different note, us not forget that this is still only half way through the hurricane season & given the current high water temperature in the mid-west atlantic the probability of another one of these is very high. I know you and JohnW are right in the main path so best of luck!
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Thanks for your thoughts T and yes if it had turned right while it was steaming up the Gulf of Mexico I may not be writing this now. I was just watching the news and they mentioned that the British were sending a team from International Rescue so people are rallying around.
 
This is a terrible catastrophe and my heart goes out to those who are caught up in the middle of it. I cannot imagine being part of a report I have just read, where a mother has to explain to her evacuated children that the lives they once led and took for granted were now over, but although they had lost everything they could take heart and be thankful that they were at least all together!

However, being something of a cynic, and at the risk of incurring the wrath of our American members, it does occur to me to wonder about the adviseability of building a city six feet below mean sea level. Especially in an area as prone to devastation by hurricanes as are the gulf states. Surely, anyone with a grain of sense can see that the writing has been on the wall for New Orleans for quite some time? Is there perhaps just a shade of arrogance here in thinking that something with the energy equivalent of 100 nuclear bombs (approx.) would not dare to turn up on their doorstep? Or that we are so technologically sophisticated we can deal with anything that nature cares to chuck at us.


The same is true of other cities though; San Francisco and Naples spring readily to mind. What is it about the nature of human beings that makes them congregate around such obviously dangerous areas?


Perhaps one good thing which might come out of this tragedy is the realisation that we mess around with nature at our peril, and that now might be a good time to start repairing some of the damage our selfish species has caused. I am not overly optimistic though.
 
Bazf said:
Thanks for your thoughts T and yes if it had turned right while it was steaming up the Gulf of Mexico I may not be writing this now. I was just watching the news and they mentioned that the British were sending a team from International Rescue so people are rallying around.
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really glad to hear we are sending a team out,was no mention on our news,and agree with what tealeaf says, and hope you and john keep safe.
 
My heart goes out to the people of the Southern States of America that have been affected by this terrible natural disaster. How sad it is to see the old, the weak and the vulnerable suffering even more. It must be devastating to lose your property, however poor it may be......but to try to hang on to someone you love and find them swept away by the flood water doesn't bear thinking about.
Samael may learn some compassion as he gets older and has more experience of life......until then Samael I respectfully advise you think before you comment.
 
As it is unfortunately still hurricane season out there then there is a high posibility of more misery. They clean up the effects of one storm only to be hit by another and as we cannot control nature we will see more death injury and suffering. It is something that we will never get used to nor be able to ignore, the urge to help is the one never changing part of human nature that will always win through along with not olowing such disasters to grind us down.
 
Acrylic-bob said:
What is it about the nature of human beings that makes them congregate around such obviously dangerous areas?



Economics.

Towns and cities have been built in the most disadvantaged positions because of the economic benefits throughout history.

Would you suggest that the whole of East Anglia and the Netherlands be moved to higher ground as well as New Orleans?
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