Lie Detector tests

I used to have a mate who's nickname was depressd Harry, he was one of the funniest men I have ever met, also another one his nickname was crammed Jack. Kate, I miss the company of those two guys they never had a good word to say about anyone, but if you needed owt they would be the first in the que to help you, that was the way they handled depression by meeting it 'head on'. Crammed Jacks favourite saying was "always think the worst of everyone and you will never be dissapointed":D. Depressed Harrys favourite saying was "always borrow money off a pessimist , because he doesn't expect to get it back anyway:D.
 
Bagpuss,
I said I work for a part of the DWP and part of my job is making decisions, I have to make the decision backed by THE LAW!, if I can't prove tit I am not doing my job ipso facto it is a wrong decision and will be overuled on appeal.
As I said before there is no bias to anyone at all and if you choose to disbelieve me state facts and show me 2 identical (and I mean identical not "my mate says..") cases I will accede to your argument.
 
Ianto,
Without knowing your case fully I can't comment I wasn't ignoring you.
I just get fed up with the wholesale statements that say if you are "black, asian, Albanian, etc you get x amount the day you arrive " & the "If I was an illegal immigrant you'd be falling over yourself to give me money" It's b*llsh*t if you arrive in the country you have to prove you are entitled not the other way round, but of course people choose to believe what they read in the right wing press (Mail, Express, Sun etc!" rather someone who actually works there.

Rant over I'll get my coat.
 
Stanaccy said:
Ianto,
Without knowing your case fully I can't comment I wasn't ignoring you.
I just get fed up with the wholesale statements that say if you are "black, asian, Albanian, etc you get x amount the day you arrive " & the "If I was an illegal immigrant you'd be falling over yourself to give me money" It's b*llsh*t if you arrive in the country you have to prove you are entitled not the other way round, but of course people choose to believe what they read in the right wing press (Mail, Express, Sun etc!" rather someone who actually works there.

Rant over I'll get my coat.
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It's ok Stanaccy I realise you are only trying to give a constructive reply within your remit. I am not the only one who has had to struggle to obtain DLA/Moblity allowance. Did you ever know a man by the name of 'Blind Michael'. If I may have a moment of your time I will relate this tale. Mick had no arms and was blind due to an accident with explosives, he and his wife applied for 16 years to get the said benefit, without success because Mick could walk and he also worked on the NHS internal telephones. His good lady persisted and managed to get it for him just before he was 65years of age. The only reason I am relating this tale is that they now sadly have passed away, so I do not think mine is an isolated case, or unique.Regards Ian.
 
Ianto.W. said:
It's ok Stanaccy I realise you are only trying to give a constructive reply within your remit. I am not the only one who has had to struggle to obtain DLA/Moblity allowance. Did you ever know a man by the name of 'Blind Michael'. If I may have a moment of your time I will relate this tale. Mick had no arms and was blind due to an accident with explosives, he and his wife applied for 16 years to get the said benefit, without success because Mick could walk and he also worked on the NHS internal telephones. His good lady persisted and managed to get it for him just before he was 65years of age. The only reason I am relating this tale is that they now sadly have passed away, so I do not think mine is an isolated case, or unique.Regards Ian.
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But are you saying, as you stated earlier, that if he changed his name to 'Blind Mohammed', he would have been granted the benefit straight away? Because that just isn't so.

The crtieria make be complicated, but they apply to everyone equally.
 
As I have mentioned to you before ian the major thing about claiming these benefits is how the original form is filled in.... :)
 
garinda, But are you saying, as you stated earlier, that if he changed his name to 'Blind Mohammed', he would have been granted the benefit straight away? Because that just isn't so.
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This was a true story gary and I did not this time mention race or colour, save I will say 'Bind Michael' was an Irishman originally from Cork, and a good friend to all who knew him.

harwood red, As I have mentioned to you before ian the major thing about claiming these benefits is how the original form is filled in....
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With hindsight your you are quite correct, there is more I could say but at present without wanting to prejudice this ongoing case, I have decided to say nothing more about it as I only seem to get insulted for my pains.
 
I think where people perceive an inequality is that many immigrants ask for help to fill in the forms as they do not always fully understand and want to be sure they do it right. The people who help have had so much experience of helping people to fill these things in that they know what they are doing and as Harwood Red says it's all down to what you put on that initial application which is why I suggest that even though you can understand the forms and feel you know what you're doing sometime it's better to get a bit of help from someone with experience.

A family member, now deceased, had a list of ailments and disabilities as long as your arm but his DLA claim had been rejected. His condition was obviously serious enough for him to now be dead but evidently not serious enough for the DLA application - until Dorothy McGregor helped with the appeal because she had the experience of having helped others.

Race, creed, colour, nationality, political affiliation or how often you change your socks had absolutely nothing to do with it. I wish you luck with your appeal Ianto.
 
As well as goverment departments, it is the same with lots of organisations. Insurance companies can put so many obstacles in your way. I had an horrendous time with Saga car insurance, but I would not take no for an answer and eventually sent a letter by recorded delivery to the MD home address. I got the home address by paying for a list of directors from Companies House. That letter finally got my claim sorted out after 7 months of be without a car, due to no fault of my own. I think their strategy is that if they make the procedure complicated most people will eventually give up.
 
claytonender, I think their strategy is that if they make the procedure complicated most people will eventually give up.
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My sentiments entirely claytonender, you should not have to employ a 'Philadelphia Lawyer' to fill a claim form in for you. I wonder how many people have gone to their graves earlier than they should have, fighting for what they believed were their rights.
 
Ianto.W. said:
My sentiments entirely claytonender, you should not have to employ a 'Philadelphia Lawyer' to fill a claim form in for you. I wonder how many people have gone to their graves earlier than they should have, fighting for what they believed were their rights.
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The sad thung is that 'false' claimants know what answers to give and will lie quite blatanly to get it.
 
the sad fact is that most people claim falsely is because they cant live off what they have already!
 
From a personal view claiming benifits on behalf of someone is difficulit enough.

When my mother was diagnoised with Lung Cancer she asked me to go and live with her, this I did without question and my employers helped by letting me pick shifts that meant I would be at home at nights, and she told me that it would only be for a "few months"!

She got a good care package and some extra benifits that the Social Worker in hospital told her about, when she asked about "Carer Allowence" for me she was told that as I was working during the day and that she had carers going in that she couldn't claim for me.

When I asked about a stair-lift for her so that she could go upstairs to use the bath we were told that it would take approx 6 weeks to get one fitted if granted.

Mother was happy about that but sadley she died after 5 weeks and never got to use her bath again, I informed the revelent office of the change in circumstances and on the day of her funeral a workman came to measure up for the stair-lift!! The information had not been passed between the departments and I think that sometimes that holds up or gets claims rejected is the lack on communications between offices.....
 
panther said:
the sad fact is that most people claim falsely is because they cant live off what they have already!
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That just shows how naive I am.
I thought most people claimed falsely because they can't be bothered to get of their backsides and get a job. After all free money, housing, education, healthcare etc etc isn't enough is it, some people need to make false claims to pay for their beer and fags as well.

I have absolutely nothing against people who make genuine benefit claims, after all that is what the system is there for. I just do not like the vast number of people who think this Country owes them something. You know the ones who have never worked and think they are hard done too because they can't go out every weekend drinking with their mates.

I think that many more people should be employed to catch these cheats. I don't care if it costs more to catch the cheats than the amount of benefit money saved. It comes down to the principle of not getting something you are not entitles too.

Ok rant over.
 
The problem with forms is complicated and a bit of a catch 22. The forms need to be complicated because they need to absolutely prove without any doubt that the person claiming is genuine - if the forms had one question 'I need the money because....' anyone and everyone would sound like a worthy cause.

But then the problem with the forms being complicated is that the genuine complainants then struggle to fill the forms in correctly so get knocked back and the expert form fillers get the money because they know what they're doing.
 
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