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Gayle, But then the problem with the forms being complicated is that the genuine complainants then struggle to fill the forms in correctly so get knocked back and the expert form fillers get the money because they know what they're doing.
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That just about sums it up Gayle, with one exception, when my mum was dying, given 6 months to live we got a letter off the doctor stating the fact, she got a home visit from the 'social' this woman filled her forms in, mum read them, and we had tried to keep it from her 'that she was going to die'. suffice to say she got the ' full monty', for about 3 months.
 
panther said:
the sad fact is that most people claim falsely is because they cant live off what they have already!
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i think people claim falsely because they get greedy and live beyond there means....i'm on benefits and have been for ages, i'm not proud of the fact that the state is keeping me but i would never ever dream of putting a false claim in, i get £93 a week income support and £17 odd child benefit, i get my council tax and housing benefit paid too, i'm not in any debt whatsoever, never have been,never will be, if i need anything i will either save up for it or do without, i manage just fine off what i have and my bills are ALWAYS paid, Reece never goes without and never will, i see myself going back to work in the near future, not because i will be made to but because i WANT to
 
Stanaccy said:
I said I work for a part of the DWP and part of my job is making decisions, I have to make the decision backed by THE LAW!
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I have no arguement with you or the law my point is why are spongers coming here to our country and the first thing they do is apply for benefits and annoyingly most of the time get them. If I wanted to go to Australia I'm sure they would tell me where to go if I had nothing to offer them. Pregnant women and sick people are coming here and being allowed in only to drain our health service of much needed resources.

Rant only just begun!!!:mad:
 
Bagpuss said:
my point is why are spongers coming here to our country and the first thing they do is apply for benefits and annoyingly most of the time get them.
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I agree totally. Its this stupid EU open borders rubbish that we have. We should ditch that straight away and only let people in that meet a strict criteria. None of them should be entitled to claim benefits until they have paid into the system. I would allow them basic emergency medicine but nothing routine.
 
I think its Norway where you have to have been in the country for 7 years before you're entitled to claim, if you can't afford to do that you can't go there. My mate who lives there says they dont have an immigration problem!
 
Bagpuss said:
I have no arguement with you or the law my point is why are spongers coming here to our country and the first thing they do is apply for benefits and annoyingly most of the time get them.
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The point is THEY DON'T get them most of the time. It's a fallacy. As I said earlier if you choose to believe certain elements of the press then fine. The fact is the majority of immigrants to this country actually arrive from Europe and do so to get jobs. Not to exploit our benefit system. FFS how the hell can £55 a week be an incentive for anyone to come into a country?

In fact if you arrive from Europe and you want to claim you are better off staying at home. Yes they arrive to work and in 2005 put in £126m (this figure is from a white supremacists website). They do not bleed the country dry, they do not turn up to claim benefits etc.

Oh and as for the fact they are turning up stealing our jobs? Don't make me laugh, nobody here would do half the jobs they do for the salary they are being paid. In that case its the employers fault not the people doing the job.

Most immigrants I actually make decisions on are not entitled. Oh and conversely most fraudulent claims are by people born here.
 
Stanaccy said:
Oh and as for the fact they are turning up stealing our jobs? Don't make me laugh
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You might be in a position to know about a local firm who made 50 English workers and this includes asians redundant. As I've said in another thread these jobs have now been filled by Polish workers doing the jobs for less money. This to me is job stealing because the jobs should still be being done by English employees. Some of these Polish workers are here for 6 months but some of the workers who lost their jobs will never work again, it stinks. Has anyone tried to join an employment agency recently because if you do you will find they are not taking anybody on because their books are full of eastern europeans who will work for less than the minimum wage for a few months then off they go.
Open your eyes and see the truth.:mad:
 
You make some valid points, Stanaccy, but there is another side to this. European immigrants, as you rightly say, are coming here to work and will do so for low wages. They do not, generally, claim Benefits but they do claim Tax Credits because, as EEC members, they are entitled to them despite never having contributed to the Exchequer before their arrival. They are not cheating and they are not given any preference but their low wages are, often, being supplemented by the State.
 
As I said in the post above blame the employers in that case not the people doing the work.

If they are doing work for less than the minimum wage and you know the employer, report them to HMRC. Don't sit there moaning do something about it.

If they are doing the work for minimum wage which previously was a lot higher, then blame the employer not the person doing the work, they are the one being exploited. Get their support and start a campaign, get the unions and the press involved, name and shame. Whingeing on here will not solve anything.

For all the rhetoric I have yet to see any facts.:confused:
 
Stanaccy said:
As I said in the post above blame the employers in that case not the people doing the work.
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Blame the employer, blame the government, blame the EU, it really doesn't matter. The fact is if your English living in England it is becoming very hard to find a job because eastern europeans are coming here and doing the jobs for less money.
 
WillowTheWhisp said:
No-one should be working for less than the minimum wage.
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Some companies have methods of working around it. I have heard of an Altham based company who have employed quite a few of the Polish people. They pay them minimum wage but they also 'sort' out their accomodation and charge them ridicolous rents and extortionate fuel prices which they take out of their wages.
 
WillowTheWhisp said:
No-one should be working for less than the minimum wage.
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Just to make things clear this is not happening at the company I mentioned but it is happening elsewhere and I got that off an employer who said allowing Polish workers over here is great for his profits.:mad:
 
Bagpuss said:
Blame the employer, blame the government, blame the EU, it really doesn't matter. The fact is if your English living in England it is becoming very hard to find a job because eastern europeans are coming here and doing the jobs for less money.
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As I said, do something about it, if people have been made redundant and others taken on to do the same job for less money it's illegal (FACT the job is made redundant not the employee).

If you know unscrupulous employers then publicise it. get the trades council involved
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[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-serif]If, as you say, you know different then do something, start a campaign etc. moaning here will do absolutely nothing.[/FONT]
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Bagpuss said:
Blame the employer, blame the government, blame the EU, it really doesn't matter. The fact is if your English living in England it is becoming very hard to find a job because eastern europeans are coming here and doing the jobs for less money.
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Then how do you explain the figures that prove that there are about two million less unemployed people, than there were twenty five years ago?

That's taking into account that these figures are open to abuse, by not classing as unemployed people on various schemes and benefits etc., but that was also applicable in the eighties, and twenty five years we didn't have the same numbers of illegal immigrants, or open borders throughout Europe.
 
Stanaccy said:
As I said, do something about it, if people have been made redundant and others taken on to do the same job for less money it's illegal (FACT the job is made redundant not the employee).
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Life is not about facts even though you want to hide behind them. Of course the company, it sounds like you know which one, have got round it with different ways and means, new orders etc. So FACT the jobs are still there but 50 British workers are on the dole.
 
garinda' Then how do you explain the figures that prove that there are about two million less unemployed people, than there were twenty five years ago?
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Got to aggree at least the jobs are there for the Poles etc to work at, other wise they wouldn't come. Good luck to them they have always been a very industrous nation.
 
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