Gayle said:I hope so for the sake of common sense.
There is such thing as a whip and there are ocassions where Councillors are instructed by the whip as to which way they should vote. The situation there is that you can either vote against (and be in a whole heap of trouble with your party), vote for or abstain. As I'm not a Councillor (yet) I don't know how this works in practice.
Very rarely at local level unfortunately.Neil said:You do get MP's voting against their own party at national level so I assume you do at local level.
A lot of councillors start out with this idealistic way of thinking gayle but when they actually get voted in they fall in to line in the party. Even independant non politicals do it. They fall in to line with who ever they get on with the most. Very rare is it that someone gives their own opinion regardless of the rest of the councils. For one thing it would, I imagine, make them very unpopular, like I am now with most of the councillors, yet when I first got involved they were all all over me, wanting me to fall in with their line of thinking. Now they realise I have my own line of thinking based on what i think the people will want they don't like me much.Gayle said:That's an interesting idea but unless you're suggesting that the Councils are tied in to the national elections in some way I'm not sure how it could work. I agree that there is too much 'blame' between national, county and local and it's an easy thing for any one of them to say 'not my fault guv, blame the others' for things.
I'm going to say something daftish here but the one thing that I really don't like about politics is the 'politics' - by that I mean the 'blaming the other party' culture and the internal politics of voting once elected i.e. everyone voting down party lines. I believe (and this is very idealistic) that when you get voted on to the Council you should then be part of the bigger 'Team Hyndburn' and should all work together for the good of the area. I'm not the only one who thinks like that as there are some excellent Labour and Tory Councillors who currently work as a team and clearly I would be happy to work with them for the good of the area. Whilst I agree that structure is needed I think 'Team Hyndburn' should come first.
If every politician thought that way then it would negate the need for your idea as everyone would be working for the greater good and there would be less 'blame' and in fighting.
I think we're both a bit too idealistic on this though Neil as we have a system and it's unlikely to change so I think we just have to live with it.
Neil said:Are you hoping to be one of the elected Councillors this time round Bill?
BillGreene said:Yes - Nomination papers just about to go in!

g jones said:Hyndburn has 18 Cons and 17 Labour councillors.

BillGreene said:Gayle, sounds like there is proportionality. Imagine if it was 17 +17 +1![]()


Gayle said:Decisions would never be made and we'd be an even worse mess.![]()
BillGreene said:Does that mean that if it was a choice of doing what was best for Hyndburn you would not do it becasue it meant voting with another party!!!
Neil said:Will you be creating your own canvassing material or do you have people to do it for you?![]()
BillGreene said:I'm interested. I am an experienced canvasser and leaflet producer but am always interested in learning more.
Madhatter said:A lot of councillors start out with this idealistic way of thinking gayle but when they actually get voted in they fall in to line in the party. Even independant non politicals do it. They fall in to line with who ever they get on with the most. Very rare is it that someone gives their own opinion regardless of the rest of the councils.
I may just put myself up again at next elections, and actually bother to canvas this time, as I'm always being asked by people to stand.
Neil said:You need to think of ways to get your name in The Observer. You need to find something new and interesting. Being a naughty boy, writing your own weight loss column, moaning about icy roads and stopping smoking have all been covered. I wonder if any of our AccyWebbers are in the publicity business and might have some good ideas for you.

perhaps the best thing to do would be to talk to your parents and friends, as their opinion and weigh up which you think is best. You have parents that that are very much in the centre of the comunity, and I'd value their opinion on whats best councillor for your area. I don't believe parties have anything to do with it, one area can have great labour party councillors and get a lot done, that the comunity wants, other areas labour party has strangled the comunity for years and gona against conservative lib deb, just for the sake of it, despite what the community needs. If you have councillors like that, regardless of party, they need getting out.baby boo said:last year i voted for the very first time.i am going to be completely honest and i am completly thick about elections and i dnt see the point as i dnt understand? (we should be taught about it in school and not have german language)(another story)
I voted and whats my vote gone to? they say its important and that you get a say but its not really saying anything putting a cross on a piece of paper?
im cluelss to it but i only vote just to keep people quiet.![]()
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