Luton Town Match Thread.......

Redraine said:
I don't agree with that, Sam. He was off his line like a rocket several times to bravely dive at the attacker's feet! He also has a great kick on him but it was a pity we didn't have anyone to latch on to them and hold the ball up, so too many times their enormous no.5 just returned them with interest. Many on the Clayton end, me included, were imploring JB to use one of 2 centre forwards as subs in good time to have any effect, but to no avail. When Hunt came off at a snail's pace when subbed, and the goalie didn't show a bit of urgency with his kicks it seemed they were under instructions to play for the draw, which was very frustrating at the time, but in retrospect a point is, hopefully, something to build on. People criticized young Windass for wasteful finishing, but show me any other of our midfielders who get into shooting range and have a real go. I'm confident he will come good given time. Finally, I thought Atkinson was MOM and for me, his pairing with Tom is our best CB option. Agree with other posters that Hunt is all at sea in midfield and the sooner the scales fall from JB's eyes the better!
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It's difficult for me to comment on CB pairings,but I can see why they paired Tom and Rob as there threat was ariel and not pace.
I know we don't agree on much but Rob MOM ?,how did you come up with that,he lost nearly ever header against benson !!!,for me the keeper was MOM.
As a side question,of all previous games Tom and Rob played together how many wins or clean sheets have they had?.
Both good players,but if you play them ,for me, you have yo have pacy defensive fullbacks as they are very similar type of players .
 
I thought Lynch had a decent game can,t be easy for the defence with ever changing keepers, thought 2nd half we defended well and could have nicked a couple at the other end. I also think we need a commanding midfielder in there with Joyce but with our budget it,s hard tough test at Bury next week where we hardly ever get the rub of the green wonder who will be sent off next week let,s hope we get the 3 points.
 
football19 said:
It's difficult for me to comment on CB pairings,but I can see why they paired Tom and Rob as there threat was ariel and not pace.
I know we don't agree on much but Rob MOM ?,how did you come up with that,he lost nearly ever header against benson !!!,for me the keeper was MOM.
As a side question,of all previous games Tom and Rob played together how many wins or clean sheets have they had?.
Both good players,but if you play them ,for me, you have yo have pacy defensive fullbacks as they are very similar type of players .
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Nothing much wrong with Tom's pace, but every time I saw Benson winning the arial balls in the first half it was him being done. But Benson is a fine player and is way beyond in class anyone we can start.
 
Redraine said:
Nothing much wrong with Tom's pace, but every time I saw Benson winning the arial balls in the first half it was him being done. But Benson is a fine player and is way beyond in class anyone we can start.
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Agree about benson,he was on a different level to his team mates.
When I talk about pace,it's when CBs get dragged into the wide areas,do you think Tom would make a good fullback?,as every time he gets dragged into them areas he's not as effect,hence my comment on defensive fullbacks that will block that up.
A lot of our previous CBs ie sunbefs,hessey etc.. Were less effect in them areas.
 
football19 said:
Agree about benson,he was on a different level to his team mates.
When I talk about pace,it's when CBs get dragged into the wide areas,do you think Tom would make a good fullback?,as every time he gets dragged into them areas he's not as effect,hence my comment on defensive fullbacks that will block that up.
A lot of our previous CBs ie sunbefs,hessey etc.. Were less effect in them areas.
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You have really lost me now, mate! As far as technical matters are concerned I always take listen to my mate, Choirboy, who played for Stanley in their wilderness years. He also thought Atkinson was MOM, so who am I to disagree?
 
Unfortunately not at the match, but read comments on here with interest. Luton were a lot of folks pick for promotion, so by next May we'll know how good the point was for Stanley.
From brief video I've seen, there were two good opening goals from both sides, but second goals looked stinkers for both defences.
After last season, when I recall the Stanley wall jumped up and let a ball sail through underneath and into the net, letting a shot deflect through the legs of the wall is a minor improvement, I guess. It shouldn't happen, though.
Could have been worse.... Tranmere had a 2-0 lead at home and ended up with no points.
Can the Shakers be shaken?
 
No one has mentioned Stanleys 2nd goal.
Special praise must be given to Luke Joyce for his bravery and determination.
Impressive commitment.

Im starting to feel sorry for Joyce having Hunt as his partner in midfield, why cant Beattie see that Hunt is not going to transform into a midfielder in the twilight of his career?
 
I am kind of surprised that no-one has mentioned that the 2nd goal Luton scored came from a non-foul. Think is was either Tom or Rob got the ball and kicked it towards one of our defenders then their forward came and tripped over the outstretched leg after the ball had gone. Got to agree about the officials, gave Stanley nothing (apart from the 2 goals) all afternoon. Thought Jay Lynch had a de cent game and certainly kept Stanley in the game in the 2nd half. Still 1 point gained is better than 3 lost.
 
Well my rather late two pence worth............

Thought over the 90 minutes a draw was probably a fair result, and nice to see us finally get off the mark. After how bad we where at Cheltenham last week (and apparently Shrewsbury on Tuesday) it was nice to see a small improvement. We could have nicked it at the end but that would have been massively unfair on Luton who I must admit I thought would have been better. Hopefully it gives the lads a little confidence going into Bury on Saturday, which make no mistake is going to be a MASSIVE test.

As for the team I thought young Lynch in goal had a superb game. Considering along with Simpson they had never played a first team game till this season they both have been superb whenever I have seen them both play. So well done to JB for un-earthing a couple of gems in the goalkeeping department. I do however feel quite sorry for Lynch as no doubt he will probably be released as the new lad from QPR has come in on loan. But at our level I guess we cant afford to pay for a number 3 keeper.

Winnard was rightly benched.... IMO he has looked miles off the pace so far this season. Great to see Atkinson get another chance. He was very unlucky to be on the bench most of last year. Hopefully he takes the chance with both hands as there is no doubt at this level he is a big asset and alongside Aldred that could be this years partnership.

I also thought Bowerman did pretty well, considering his lack of game time. He looked knackered after an hour or so and was rightly replaced but he brings out the best in Gray who simply cannot play on his own up top. Alabi has shown he isnt quite up to it at the moment so for me, we need to give Bowerman a run in the side to show us the quality he has.

Mingoia again ran his socks off and no doubt at the moment has cemented his place in the side for me.

Joyce and Hunt............ again for me, not the answer. Fair play to Luke on scoring a very brave goal but was he even fit??? For me no chance. Young Windass is getting himself into some good positions and on another day with his shooting boots on he could of had a couple of goals. If only we could get Linganzi back anyone............?? ;) He is EXACTLY the type of player we need in the middle of the park.
 
smudgie said:
Well my rather late two pence worth............

Thought over the 90 minutes a draw was probably a fair result, and nice to see us finally get off the mark. After how bad we where at Cheltenham last week (and apparently Shrewsbury on Tuesday) it was nice to see a small improvement. We could have nicked it at the end but that would have been massively unfair on Luton who I must admit I thought would have been better. Hopefully it gives the lads a little confidence going into Bury on Saturday, which make no mistake is going to be a MASSIVE test.

As for the team I thought young Lynch in goal had a superb game. Considering along with Simpson they had never played a first team game till this season they both have been superb whenever I have seen them both play. So well done to JB for un-earthing a couple of gems in the goalkeeping department. I do however feel quite sorry for Lynch as no doubt he will probably be released as the new lad from QPR has come in on loan. But at our level I guess we cant afford to pay for a number 3 keeper.

Winnard was rightly benched.... IMO he has looked miles off the pace so far this season. Great to see Atkinson get another chance. He was very unlucky to be on the bench most of last year. Hopefully he takes the chance with both hands as there is no doubt at this level he is a big asset and alongside Aldred that could be this years partnership.

I also thought Bowerman did pretty well, considering his lack of game time. He looked knackered after an hour or so and was rightly replaced but he brings out the best in Gray who simply cannot play on his own up top. Alabi has shown he isnt quite up to it at the moment so for me, we need to give Bowerman a run in the side to show us the quality he has.

Mingoia again ran his socks off and no doubt at the moment has cemented his place in the side for me.

Joyce and Hunt............ again for me, not the answer. Fair play to Luke on scoring a very brave goal but was he even fit??? For me no chance. Young Windass is getting himself into some good positions and on another day with his shooting boots on he could of had a couple of goals. If only we could get Linganzi back anyone............?? ;) He is EXACTLY the type of player we need in the middle of the park.
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Some interesting comments (most of which
I don't agree with!)
Agree about the keeper I thought he did well and hunty is not a central midfielder.
Bowerman doesn't do it for me at this level,outside the box I can't see what he offers to the team.
Windass still plays like a development squad player,which is surprising as he played at Harrogate railway last year.he just needs to learn awareness when he doesn't have the ball.(saying that I thought he played well against Shrewsbury with ten men and got dropped!)
The centre back debate is food for thought as there all good players.
Interesting about dean being of the pace tho,of all the goals conceded this season,which ones would you pin on him?(genuine question)and how many forwards have rinsed him.
Thought dean and Tom played well against Southend,losing to a late penalty and our keeper not having a save to make.
On Saturday we conceded two and could have been four or five,didn't their lad beat rob in the air to score but it got disallowed?.
I genuinely want them all to do well,but for me we have changed the team and formation to often to get a settled side,plus we haven't replaced key players from last season.
On a side issue,how many clean sheets and wins have we had with Tom and Rob playing CBs ?,I don't know but guess not many.
If I was a betting man,I would back them both to score now on Saturday !!!!
 
Read all the previous comments all of which make good observations.
This was the first time I have seen the new squad perform. I fully agree with the general consensus that Lynch had a good game. He made some good Dunbavin style saves and he was quick off his line when needed. As Redraine says he looks like he has an accurate kick with good distance too. I too thought that Atkinson was our MOM just tipped by his near miss when he headed against the post late on. Rob is a very steady centre back and I think he is worth a run in the team at the moment. He has been very patient having been on the bench, and rarely used, all last season. Tom Aldred for me has lots of pace and yes, perhaps he is just struggling to find that super form that he had most of last season. With Tom and Rob it seems clear that Tom should be the man going for most of the headed clearances with Rob slotting in behind him clearing up those balls that do get through.
We are still lacking in the midfield area as we did most of last season but also up front. In midfield as others have said we need a truly combative player in the mould of a 'Procky' or Linganzi. Up front Gray needs an old fashioned centre forward to play off. (Someone like the Paul Mullin of old). Gray also needs to stay on his feet. It is already getting on my nerves how easily he goes to ground in search of free kicks!
Luton were a better team all round than us but having got a two goal lead early on we really should have been able to hold out for a victory...As said we did seem to be playing for a draw for a while when we only had Gray up front on his own. It made a difference late on when we went back to two up front and we could have won it with a bit of luck..(Rob's header)....
I am absolutely certain that JB is looking hard for the players to fill thes gaps but we need to remember how difficult it is for him to attract players to our club... re salaries, training facilites etc.
Lets all stay positive and get right behind JB and the team and continue our fight against all the odds and then we can confound the critics once more...
We also need the Ultras to get more vocal... Come on you ULTRAS !!!
ON STANLEY ON
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Lots of good posts re Saturday's game, so my two penneth.

Overall, not good enough from my perspective as being 2-0 up, should have had enough about us to manage the game through to keep the 3 points. We didn't respond to their substitution after about 25 mins. Hunt is lost in midfield and for my money doesn't give enough to the team for someone of his experience.

Didn't get our formation change approach. We went 1 up front for a while in the 2nd half after a substitution appearing to want to see the game out and take a point, only to revert to 2 up font for latter stages.

Should be sat with 4 points now (last min pen miss last week and 3 pts from Luton game) with a bit more know how. We need to wise up quick, as I feel every point this season will be hard fought and important in the final knockings and we've not started out helping ourselves.

Need to get a win on board quickly.
 
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