As it goes, I went on the Maupa website just now and had a listen and thought they were terrible, but I suppose thats not the point.
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Lol, I suppose that's a fair point 
Yes... and if we listened to you then no doubt we would be too scared to sail anywhere for fear of falling off the edge of the world.
You admit that you have never heard of them or their music yet still feel fit to judge them - the height of ignorance. Maupa are another addition to the wonderful collection of music that has been passed down from the days of Mozart and beyond, sure they sound totally different but music evolves with us humans - art reflects life, like the music of the 60's reflected the changing times and attitudes, expressing the fears but also the dreams of the hippy generation etc. Even in the Classical age there were some who feared change - Mozart for example was once famously told by the Austrian Emperor that his latest opera 'Figaro' contained "too many notes" and that Mozart needed to cut a few out - too which Mozart replied "which ones did you have in mind Sir?!"
You will find that many younger people like a wide range of music - you would be surprised at the breadth of taste some display. I love all modern music but if you care to discuss 'serious' music then I am more than able to accomodate you - I like Mozart and the other Classical composers, yet I prefer Romanticism - rejecting the cool logic of the intellect and trusting in the instinctive truths of emotion. Structurally Classical music is very solid and dependable, much like the architecture of the time, but I find that music is always at its best when the artist is compelled to explore his own emotions and chart the depths of his own personality. This, in a 21st century manner and like many before them, is what Maupa are doing.
If modern day music is not to your taste then fair enough, but dont just slag it off and call it "drivel". Someone who appreciates Mozart and Puccini is obviously reasonably intelligent (stereotype I know) so I am quite amazed that you have articulated your dislike for modern music in posts that contain no aesthetic reasoning.
You admit that you have never heard of them or their music yet still feel fit to judge them - the height of ignorance. Maupa are another addition to the wonderful collection of music that has been passed down from the days of Mozart and beyond, sure they sound totally different but music evolves with us humans - art reflects life, like the music of the 60's reflected the changing times and attitudes, expressing the fears but also the dreams of the hippy generation etc. Even in the Classical age there were some who feared change - Mozart for example was once famously told by the Austrian Emperor that his latest opera 'Figaro' contained "too many notes" and that Mozart needed to cut a few out - too which Mozart replied "which ones did you have in mind Sir?!"
You will find that many younger people like a wide range of music - you would be surprised at the breadth of taste some display. I love all modern music but if you care to discuss 'serious' music then I am more than able to accomodate you - I like Mozart and the other Classical composers, yet I prefer Romanticism - rejecting the cool logic of the intellect and trusting in the instinctive truths of emotion. Structurally Classical music is very solid and dependable, much like the architecture of the time, but I find that music is always at its best when the artist is compelled to explore his own emotions and chart the depths of his own personality. This, in a 21st century manner and like many before them, is what Maupa are doing.
If modern day music is not to your taste then fair enough, but dont just slag it off and call it "drivel". Someone who appreciates Mozart and Puccini is obviously reasonably intelligent (stereotype I know) so I am quite amazed that you have articulated your dislike for modern music in posts that contain no aesthetic reasoning.
you are talking about tealeaf arent you?
The point is that you seem to reject anyone elses appreciation of music with a cursory wave of the hand and in a manner no more valid than playground banter. Your view is obviously that of - "I don't like it therefore it's rubbish" - therefore your opinion carries no weight. If you can't reply to my well-meaning and informed post with even the slightest semblance of sensible counter-reasoning then you have proven the above point to be true. Think about it - if I said that Turandot, La Boheme and Symphony No.40 in Gminor were pants without giving a reason then you would be right to discard my views as worthless. By all means reply to this post with another flippant remark.....you will only prove my point further.....
Who's "you", CJ? Me or SuperAccyStan? I have'nt wasted time in listening to their "music" in order to reach the conclusion that they're rubbish; SuperAccy has made the effort to visit their site and listen to their product; his conclusion - also rubbish.
I advanced a theory and by a process of logical deduction obtained an outcome which was the same outcome as that obtained by the rigourous testing of empirical evidence under controlled conditions (carried out by AccyStan) While it may be argued that the core elemnent of the model is that of "value judgement", myself and AccyStan invariably have opposing value judgements on "modern music", yet nevertheless our verdict is the same; RUBBISH.
I'm not going to waste time discussing this further....it may be best to stick to one thing we all agree on....the Tragi-Comedy called The Council.
I advanced a theory and by a process of logical deduction obtained an outcome which was the same outcome as that obtained by the rigourous testing of empirical evidence under controlled conditions (carried out by AccyStan) While it may be argued that the core elemnent of the model is that of "value judgement", myself and AccyStan invariably have opposing value judgements on "modern music", yet nevertheless our verdict is the same; RUBBISH.
I'm not going to waste time discussing this further....it may be best to stick to one thing we all agree on....the Tragi-Comedy called The Council.
Of course it comes down to value judgements, but does thinking 'because the said band are contemporary then they must be rubbish' count as logical deduction? I suppose we could then argue "whose value judgements carry more value?"! I could never convince you of the merits in Maupa's music, nor would I dare to chastise your musical taste, but my beef is that you labelled something without experience of it (in a derogative fashion), made sweeping musical generalisations and then used unprovoked and inflammatory remarks when someone had the nerve to disagree!
Anyway, the opera buffa that resides at the globe.....
Anyway, the opera buffa that resides at the globe.....
CJ,
I did say I would'nt continue with this thread any more; however, you do do seem a reasonably intelligent lad/ladette (you don't specify on your profile), so I'll try to answer you in a way that hopefully will make sense to you.
1) I don't use inflamatory remarks; I simply record my observations. While it may be the case that you Kow-Tow to the Great God of Political Correctness, I don't give a damn. If someone is a fool, then I'll say so. If that offends them or anyone else, then tough. I don't care.
2) You obviously pander to whatever may well be the latest fashionable craze(s) in modern music. Fair enough - it's your value judgement. There is, however, a concept both in Arts & Science known as creative or lateral thinking. There is not one modern musical group or artist - and by that I mean anyone post mid-1970's - who displays one iota of creative thinking. The last groups to display any originality were possibly the Pistols & the Stranglers. Everything that has been done since is no more than a cheap manufactured consumable - as in the kiddies boy/girl bands, or old ideas reworked & repackaged for a far less demanding market than that of the 50's-mid 70's. Afterall, in those days you's to produce quality to sell; these days, you produce any old rubbish to be downloaded free on the net.
3) There is in science a concept known as the Paradigm. I will assume you are famililar with the word - get a dictionary if not. To expropriate that word to modern music, one can argue of a paradigm shift with Jazz in the 1920's, Be-Bop the 1940's, the 4-man rock & roll band of the 60's; thrashing the lot in the 70's. There has been nothing - absolutely nothing - new or ground-breaking since. We still have the same old boring line up of Rythem/Bass/Lead/Drums playing the same old variations on the 3 chord theme. It's utter nonsense.
4) I do not, therefore, have to subject myself to 10 minutes of misery in order to confirm what I already know, that this lot - Mauma or whatever - are crap. The only saving grace is that they're not the only ones - there are hundreds, thousands of these groups throughout the land, all knocking out the same stale, peurile rubbish.
If you do wish to discuss this further, then get your **** down the Stag on Sunday....we're a friendly bunch, really. Even me.
I did say I would'nt continue with this thread any more; however, you do do seem a reasonably intelligent lad/ladette (you don't specify on your profile), so I'll try to answer you in a way that hopefully will make sense to you.
1) I don't use inflamatory remarks; I simply record my observations. While it may be the case that you Kow-Tow to the Great God of Political Correctness, I don't give a damn. If someone is a fool, then I'll say so. If that offends them or anyone else, then tough. I don't care.
2) You obviously pander to whatever may well be the latest fashionable craze(s) in modern music. Fair enough - it's your value judgement. There is, however, a concept both in Arts & Science known as creative or lateral thinking. There is not one modern musical group or artist - and by that I mean anyone post mid-1970's - who displays one iota of creative thinking. The last groups to display any originality were possibly the Pistols & the Stranglers. Everything that has been done since is no more than a cheap manufactured consumable - as in the kiddies boy/girl bands, or old ideas reworked & repackaged for a far less demanding market than that of the 50's-mid 70's. Afterall, in those days you's to produce quality to sell; these days, you produce any old rubbish to be downloaded free on the net.
3) There is in science a concept known as the Paradigm. I will assume you are famililar with the word - get a dictionary if not. To expropriate that word to modern music, one can argue of a paradigm shift with Jazz in the 1920's, Be-Bop the 1940's, the 4-man rock & roll band of the 60's; thrashing the lot in the 70's. There has been nothing - absolutely nothing - new or ground-breaking since. We still have the same old boring line up of Rythem/Bass/Lead/Drums playing the same old variations on the 3 chord theme. It's utter nonsense.
4) I do not, therefore, have to subject myself to 10 minutes of misery in order to confirm what I already know, that this lot - Mauma or whatever - are crap. The only saving grace is that they're not the only ones - there are hundreds, thousands of these groups throughout the land, all knocking out the same stale, peurile rubbish.
If you do wish to discuss this further, then get your **** down the Stag on Sunday....we're a friendly bunch, really. Even me.
Have we all finshed arguing now?
I'm not replying now to further provoke things - indeed this post should be taken in a more conciliatory tone! Maybe inflammatory remarks was the wrong phrase - I just felt that one poster received an unwarranted put-down. I certainly don't kow-tow to current PC thinking - it fact I hate it.
Obviously personal opinions and tastes are just that, and I understand your thinking and explanation thereof to a certain extent. Yet I still have to reject your reasoning that if a contemporary band is just that, contemporary, then they are automatically worthless. I strongly believe that without experiencing a medium (in this case the band in question themselves, not the genre as a whole) any opinion formed carries little weight. I can understand your point though as from personal experience I cant stand Country & Western and have felt that way for a long while - yet I have conceded at times and lent my ears (albeit begrudgingly) and found that I can find value in certain songs belonging to the form.
Whose value judgements carry more value? Whilst I agree with your paradigm shift reasoning concerning the genres you mentioned I can see the same model change in music since the 70's. Maybe it is not as obvious, or not at all obvious, to you, yet the variation in todays music is huge as are the means of its production. My opinion could be explained by the fact that I am a peer of the current generation of musicians, still I believe that my judgements hold equal value. I do not pander to whatever is the current trend in modern music by the way, I agree with you that quite a lot of contemporary music is nothing new and like you said lacks any creative thinking, but there are some who are pushing the envelope...honest! A differentiation needs to made here between throwaway pop nonsense (money-driven) and the 'real' music (motivation by the need to express).
Of course you are not obliged to please me or anybody else with your views on the subject - your opinion is certainly as valid as mine and others - but I do appreciate the fact that you have taken time to articulate your view, and yes, I do agree to a certain extent.
The Stag is on Henry St? I frequent the Adelphi exclusively (with the sole exception being the Crown!), funnily enough due to the fact that I cant abide the music that is played in town centre pubs! Oh the irony...!
Ceejache - Reasonably intelligent male.
Obviously personal opinions and tastes are just that, and I understand your thinking and explanation thereof to a certain extent. Yet I still have to reject your reasoning that if a contemporary band is just that, contemporary, then they are automatically worthless. I strongly believe that without experiencing a medium (in this case the band in question themselves, not the genre as a whole) any opinion formed carries little weight. I can understand your point though as from personal experience I cant stand Country & Western and have felt that way for a long while - yet I have conceded at times and lent my ears (albeit begrudgingly) and found that I can find value in certain songs belonging to the form.
Whose value judgements carry more value? Whilst I agree with your paradigm shift reasoning concerning the genres you mentioned I can see the same model change in music since the 70's. Maybe it is not as obvious, or not at all obvious, to you, yet the variation in todays music is huge as are the means of its production. My opinion could be explained by the fact that I am a peer of the current generation of musicians, still I believe that my judgements hold equal value. I do not pander to whatever is the current trend in modern music by the way, I agree with you that quite a lot of contemporary music is nothing new and like you said lacks any creative thinking, but there are some who are pushing the envelope...honest! A differentiation needs to made here between throwaway pop nonsense (money-driven) and the 'real' music (motivation by the need to express).
Of course you are not obliged to please me or anybody else with your views on the subject - your opinion is certainly as valid as mine and others - but I do appreciate the fact that you have taken time to articulate your view, and yes, I do agree to a certain extent.
The Stag is on Henry St? I frequent the Adelphi exclusively (with the sole exception being the Crown!), funnily enough due to the fact that I cant abide the music that is played in town centre pubs! Oh the irony...!
Ceejache - Reasonably intelligent male.
SAS - we weren't argueing! OK, maybe a little...I'd rather think of it as a frank, forthright and learned discussion between two individuals who hold diametrically opposed views! Tealeaf and I have exchanged sensible points of view and in some way reached partial agreement!
We've both said our pieces and I promise to refrain from further comment on the matter...can I have some cash?!
We've both said our pieces and I promise to refrain from further comment on the matter...can I have some cash?!
bringing an old thread back to life here 
I've been a fan of Maupa since The release of helpless, I went to see them with other local bands (India Mill, Citizen band) at kings street on the release night.
I've worked with the band as a whole and the lead singer photographically a few times. And they are all great guys, with what I think is a great and unique sound.
Maupa by =magaz on deviantART <-- the band (shot by me feb 06)
MySpace.com - Maupa - 1, UK - Indie / Psychedelic / Rock - www.myspace.com/maupa <-- the bands myspace, for anyone who's interested!
I've been a fan of Maupa since The release of helpless, I went to see them with other local bands (India Mill, Citizen band) at kings street on the release night.
I've worked with the band as a whole and the lead singer photographically a few times. And they are all great guys, with what I think is a great and unique sound.
Maupa by =magaz on deviantART <-- the band (shot by me feb 06)
MySpace.com - Maupa - 1, UK - Indie / Psychedelic / Rock - www.myspace.com/maupa <-- the bands myspace, for anyone who's interested!