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The PFA have had to step in due to players and staff not been paid, new owners not looking so good now eh
 
Feel sorry for the true fans as we've been there before!

I do still remember Morecambe fans gloating at the sound of buckets rattling in Accrington in '09 though!
 
They also needed a loan from the PFA in April which was secured against club land there's also a Barclays loan and a debenture outstanding
 
Goes to show that clubs with gates that can't support the cost of wages need both a benefactor who is prepared to bankroll the club and a successful commercial department.

Our problems will be the forerunner of a growing number of FL clubs and will seriously put into question if the current structures of Leagues 1 and 2 will ultimately be changed to a North and South structure.
 
Christies Child said:
Goes to show that clubs with gates that can't support the cost of wages need both a benefactor who is prepared to bankroll the club and a successful commercial department.

Our problems will be the forerunner of a growing number of FL clubs and will seriously put into question if the current structures of Leagues 1 and 2 will ultimately be changed to a North and South structure.
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The real answer is there in front of the FA's face. They need to distribute the income far more fairly to the lower leagues and the grass roots. Including Ladies football. The whole financial structure has been in need of a fairer system for years. It is poor when league clubs are threatened with going out of business due to lack of finance or even worse poor management. I don't mean the football manager. If the people who are in charge of a club whether they own it or not They FA should have a team of experienced people to be able to help a club out with advice or if it is beyond that the FA should take over the running of the club until a new owner can be found.
 
Chrisr said:
The real answer is there in front of the FA's face. They need to distribute the income far more fairly to the lower leagues and the grass roots. Including Ladies football. The whole financial structure has been in need of a fairer system for years. It is poor when league clubs are threatened with going out of business due to lack of finance or even worse poor management. I don't mean the football manager. If the people who are in charge of a club whether they own it or not They FA should have a team of experienced people to be able to help a club out with advice or if it is beyond that the FA should take over the running of the club until a new owner can be found.
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Totally agree, but things will remain the same because the Premier League and TV companies couldn't give a toss for clubs at our level. TV companies would rather contribute to clubs paying millions per season to mediocre players than ensure that money is distributed fairly.
 
Surely its just cashflow due to the change in ownership?

We'll see this every year from now on. Until a 'proper' club goes under clubs will carry on spending money to try to keep up. I've said many times that I'd be perfectly happy to drop a couple of leagues if it means living within our means. Clubs rely on an Andy Holt to come in and wave his chequebook, when its empty we look for the next one. It HAS to stop. Like Baldy says we simply must look to expansion of the fanbase before we chase League 1.

Even if doubled our fanbase we'd still be almost bottom of the attendance tables - that is the scale of our task
 
baldy said:
This is just another reminder how we shouldn't rely on Andy Holts money and really need to build a stronger fan base to help become more self sufficient for the long term!
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True, much easier said than done though.
 
maccawozzagod said:
Surely its just cashflow due to the change in ownership?

We'll see this every year from now on. Until a 'proper' club goes under clubs will carry on spending money to try to keep up. I've said many times that I'd be perfectly happy to drop a couple of leagues if it means living within our means. Clubs rely on an Andy Holt to come in and wave his chequebook, when its empty we look for the next one. It HAS to stop. Like Baldy says we simply must look to expansion of the fanbase before we chase League 1.

Even if doubled our fanbase we'd still be almost bottom of the attendance tables - that is the scale of our task
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Whilst I agree with the sentiment I have no confidence in the current off field manager to market the club. Accrington Stanley is a world wide brand, with a third world setup, You can't buy a ticket online, or book a table for the sports club without ringing up. Away fans should be able to go online and purchase a ticket. We are not organised anything like a professional club. The football side are doing the best they can. Andy Holt is totally committed that only leaves the general management and marketing to improve. We need someone with people skills and proper up to date skill in motivating the workforce. I don't see that happening anytime soon. The things I have mentioned are basics. We are penny wise and pound foolish in some areas. why are we struggling to keep fans? we had a few big crowds last season but never actually sold out despite what was said. we need to get to the bottom of the the problem. we can only do that by asking the fairweather supporters why they don't come on more often. I have observed some of the inconsistencies in the ticket pricing when we excluded loyalty card holders. I am afraid to say we are paying a Higher league price for a lower league club. That does not just include price. I am well aware how much Andy is putting into the club and I for one want to help him succeed by offering suggestions and constructive criticism where I feel it is helpful. We all should be offering suggestions for consideration.
 
Chrisr said:
You can't buy a ticket online, or book a table for the sports club without ringing up. Away fans should be able to go online and purchase a ticket. We are not organised anything like a professional club.
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Guess what it takes to set up these systems and implement other ideas put forward? Money. Surely there is a list of things as long as your arm to achieve the perceived utopia of professionalism and choices have to be made and Andy is the one to do this.

Meanwhile the supporters could get involved where they can, keep enjoying the football and encourage others to do the same.
 
You sure you're not holding the issue you had about disabled ticketing change when talking about the current "off the field manager" ChrisR?

The club are setting up turnstiles that can use a "credit card" type season ticket that you can just scan, But due to the work on the Clayton End this summer it was impossible to get it up and running this season!...Andy Holt has said tickets will be eventually be able to be bought online but things tale time!

I really think for the long term building of the fan base we need to offer cheaper tickets for u16, I'd rather 3 fans pay £5 each than 1 paying £15...let them get the "Stanley Bug" itll take a few years to see the benefits but building a fan base isn't going to happen over night anyway!

Also ChrisR mentions "marketing" is that including the Clayton End and Maon Stand having a sponsor for the first time in a few years?

A lot of bridges got burnt by previous chairmen by not treating sponsors properly so it's another long process of getting their trust back again!

What I do know is Accrington Stanley is in the best position on and off the field that we've ever been!
 
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