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One thing which no one has mentioned is the fact that Mugabe did not gain independance for Zimbabwe from Britain , the guy who brought independance to Rhodesia/Zimbabwe was Ian Smith . All Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo did was lead a bunch of killer marxist thugs armed by the Chinese, Russians and North Koreans . The same folks who shot down a civilian airliner carrying women and children and then machine gunned the surviving passengers . And what did the British Govt. do ? ....sod all ....so much for Harold Wilson and his famous at the time speech about our "kith and kin" .
Britain abandoned Rhodesia/Zimbabwe at the time of UDI in 65 , when Smitty took over, the bush war followed , with thousands being killed on both sides till 79 when a settlement between Ian Smith's Govt. and the Zanu/Zapu forces was reached.
Definatly not one of Britains finest hours
 
steeljack said:
One thing which no one has mentioned is the fact that Mugabe did not gain independance for Zimbabwe from Britain , the guy who brought independance to Rhodesia/Zimbabwe was Ian Smith . All Mugabe and Joshua Nkomo did was lead a bunch of killer marxist thugs armed by the Chinese, Russians and North Koreans . The same folks who shot down a civilian airliner carrying women and children and then machine gunned the surviving passengers . And what did the British Govt. do ? ....sod all ....so much for Harold Wilson and his famous at the time speech about our "kith and kin" .
Britain abandoned Rhodesia/Zimbabwe at the time of UDI in 65 , when Smitty took over, the bush war followed , with thousands being killed on both sides till 79 when a settlement between Ian Smith's Govt. and the Zanu/Zapu forces was reached.
Definatly not one of Britains finest hours
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That is fact and written down in history......Not very many members on this forum are old enough to remember...I think we have moved on and are, I hope more aware of what is happening in the world....You and I have moved from the land of our birth by choice...We hope that we are safe and use the laws of our chosen country to ensure that.
Rhodesia was and wonderful country, self sufficient and a world apart from the Zimbabwe we know today. Do you think that the British Taxpayer after UDI should have supported the one's who wanted to be free of colonial rule.?.......I don't think so...If they or any other British Colony or Protectorate wanted to run their own affairs...get on with it.
I think Magabi is worse than Saddam and agree that a challenge to his rule has been a long time coming.
Strutting like a peacock in his Armani suits whils't Zimbabwe starves.
I think that the distracting awareness of climate change should be focused on the climate in Zimbabwe where I fear many people will be subjected to the brutal and oppresive regime of the "Still Tyrant"
Robert Magabi
 
onlyme said:
dunno, but wish people would learn more about using paragraphs. Might read stuff then
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In whatever form it is better than the non funny one liners meant to be funny that appear on the forum regularly.
Study and be educated.
 
steeljack said:
Not our problem , they (the Zimbabweans) have systematically destroyed one of the best places on earth . Same as has happened with 90% of every other 'free' African country , Kenya and South Africa are heading the same way .
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Rhodesia as was under Smith was a violently racist country. Under Mugabe it began to show some flower of democracy then power corrupted him and we have the evil b*st*rd we see now. If Nkomo had taken over things might have been different.

The majority of the populace under Smith were disenfranchised and fought for freedom. Yes they made the wrong choice with Mugabe but hindsight is 100% perfect.

But reading the post above post I assume steeljack would rather Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) and South Africa retained their Apartheid regimes.

Mugabe has to go, he makes Amin look like a benevolent uncle, and the MDC under Tzangari has to win for the future of the country, it will take an immense amount of strictly controlled funding to get the country back to any semblance of it's history as the "Bread basket of Africa" but it has to happen or there will be a disaster on the scale of Biafra.
 
Royboy39 said:
In whatever form it is better than the non funny one liners meant to be funny that appear on the forum regularly.
Study and be educated.
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I apologise for my regular and irregular one liners Roy. Maybe I should take a course in Humour.

Or maybe, other people are of the same opinion as myself, that when delivering an argument, it should be done in a clear and concise manner to engage the audience and keep them interested.

Verbally this is done by inclination, tone and speed of voice. Surely the equivalent in a verbal form is correct paragraphing?
 
Stanaccy said:
Mugabe has to go, he makes Amin look like a benevolent uncle, and the MDC under Tzangari has to win for the future of the country, it will take an immense amount of strictly controlled funding to get the country back to any semblance of it's history as the "Bread basket of Africa" but it has to happen or there will be a disaster on the scale of Biafra.
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It is my understanding that funds are available for the rebuilding of Zimbabwe from many countries around the world but none are willing to take a chance on Migabi.
I wonder how many people in Zimbabwe aware of that?
Watch the voted being rigged, bullying,press not allowed to cover and so it goes on.
Robert....On your bike :dflam:
 
onlyme said:
I apologise for my regular and irregular one liners Roy. Maybe I should take a course in Humour.

Or maybe, other people are of the same opinion as myself, that when delivering an argument, it should be done in a clear and concise manner to engage the audience and keep them interested.

Verbally this is done by inclination, tone and speed of voice. Surely the equivalent in a verbal form is correct paragraphing?
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I refuse to enter into useless retoric Rindy style.
If you are serious about a particular subject and are not particularly worried about the pro's and cons of punctuation??????
 
ok i got the tv on - which is a change - and the news is on bbc 1. I thought the BBC was banned from zimbabwe - by Mr Mugabe saying the bbc was biased? Theyve just said that they were live from zimbabwe....
 
Although I take that as a compliment, you are completely missing the point.

The whole idea of threads such as these is to rouse peoples opinions and perhaps sway them by your argument.

If the audience can not read the argument, there is no swaying.

However, you may indeed take the final word, as this little tete a tete is wandering from the thread.
 
Rhodesia as was under Smith was a violently racist country. Under Mugabe it began to show some flower of democracy then power corrupted him and we have the evil b*st*rd we see now. If Nkomo had taken over things might have been different.

Nkomo was no different than Mugabe, just another tribal thug, Mugabi belonging to the Shona tribe and Nkomo being Matabele , and the two opposition parties ZANU and ZAPU were similarly tribal

The majority of the populace under Smith were disenfranchised and fought for freedom. Yes they made the wrong choice with Mugabe but hindsight is 100% perfect.

It was Smiths policy to give the vote to educated Rhodesians , those educated enough to see further than what they were told by their tribal chiefs

But reading the post above post I assume steeljack would rather Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) and South Africa retained their Apartheid regimes.

No, I'm not saying that , what I am saying is ...you cannot go from a stone-age tribal society overnight, it takes time to build an infrastructure, when Zambia got Independance in 64 , thousands of people went to the railway station to await the arrival of the train from South Africa ...the thinking being that "independance" was a physical tangible thing and it would arrive like all other imports in a wooden crate.

Mugabe has to go, he makes Amin look like a benevolent uncle, and the MDC under Tzangari has to win for the future of the country, it will take an immense amount of strictly controlled funding to get the country back to any semblance of it's history as the "Bread basket of Africa" but it has to happen or there will be a disaster on the scale of Biafra

Strictly controlled funding by who , by the donors ? is that not the same as fiscal colonialism , saying to the Zimbabweans that they haven't got the skills to look after their own affairs
 
onlyme said:
If the audience can not read the argument, there is no swaying.

However, you may indeed take the final word, as this little tete a tete is wandering from the thread.
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How right you are, look at the previous paragraph (I think it should read "If the audience cannot or can't") Be very sure of your convictions and hand slapping tactics.
 
Rhodesia as was under Smith was a violently racist country. Under Mugabe it began to show some flower of democracy then power corrupted him and we have the evil b*st*rd we see now. If Nkomo had taken over things might have been different.

Nkomo was no different than Mugabe, just another tribal thug, Mugabi belonging to the Shona tribe and Nkomo being Matabele , and the two opposition parties ZANU and ZAPU were similarly tribal


How do we know? I said might have been different. Under a different leader with different rules things may have been better.

Mugabe has to go, he makes Amin look like a benevolent uncle, and the MDC under Tzangari has to win for the future of the country, it will take an immense amount of strictly controlled funding to get the country back to any semblance of it's history as the "Bread basket of Africa" but it has to happen or there will be a disaster on the scale of Biafra

Strictly controlled funding by who , by the donors ? is that not the same as fiscal colonialism , saying to the Zimbabweans that they haven't got the skills to look after their own affairs.

Strictly controlled to prevent corruption, an awful lot of rebuilding finance has ended up funding certain leaders back pockets, with the general populace suffering again.

As an addition it's good to see Mugabe has reverted to type to prevent the MDC forcing the election results being issued.
BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Zimbabwe's MDC court bid blocked
 
interesting article in todays New York Times , Mugabe shipping in a freighter load of arms from China with the connivence of the South African Govt. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/w...dbc6a496f6f2&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
who is he going to use them against ? How is he planning on paying for them ?
All those who weep crocodile tears about how bad British/European colonialization was in Africa are in for a rude awakening when they realize what the Chinese are doing in Africa
 
steeljack said:
interesting article in todays New York Times , Mugabe shipping in a freighter load of arms from China with the connivence of the South African Govt. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/19/w...dbc6a496f6f2&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
who is he going to use them against ? How is he planning on paying for them ?
All those who weep crocodile tears about how bad British/European colonialization was in Africa are in for a rude awakening when they realize what the Chinese are doing in Africa
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Looks like South Africa are standing back from this. A high court decided that the cargo could not be moved. The ship has left Durban and apparently it’s now heading for Mozambique - BBC
 
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