New Manager

Like i said every forums got its dumbos,:rolleyes: Please highlight were people accused Coley of walking out, cos i can't remember any. Thats never been n issue as far as i'm aware, still if it suits yer bias Alvin.:rolleyes:

Here you go.

He knows what it takes and has no apparent designs on the top job, otherwise he would have thrown his hat in the ring when coley walked.

At least until the end of the season.

Coley and Bell dumped us mid season. .

If you want generic anti-Coley comments we would be here all day.

Its akin to saying I need a new headteacher for a school. The last one secured outstanding results and wants to come back. Oh no let's not go backwards.....let's appoint the milkman instead. Lunacy.

The question is not Coley or not Coley.....it is why are factions of the support SO vehemently opposed to the second coming? What are the reasons?
 
What concerns me is how long we leave it before making an appointment.:confused:

It's all well and good Heys talking about having the time to make a considered choice on the right man for the job. But leave it too long and the new guy faces an even bigger uphill battle.:(

Most clubs are already doing business with players and their agents securing new faces for next season. If we leave it too long, not only will we probably lose any chance we have of keeping our better players, but we'll struggle to find adequate quality replacements.

Heys also mentioned that they've already had a number of quality applicants putting themselves forward. Now unless we are waiting for Mourinho and Mancini's applications, we should probably already have an idea of who actually wants the job and who the board could work with. I also can't really see us forking out compo to anybody to poach any young up and coming manager. And would the board take a gamble with our hard fought for League status on such a manager???:confused:

Add to that Coley & Bell probably, nay definately, have the jump on any of the other applicants in terms of experience of working within the constraints of the role, then I'd have thought the best thing to do would be make a reasonably quick decision.

If it is to be Coley & Bell, I'd be surprised if they weren't appointed before the weekend.:o

At the moment, I'm struggling to think of any better candidates and IF they are interested & keen to return, then the odds on the "second coming" of the Messiah and his able assistant would appear to be quite short.
 
If they dont choose Coley and Bell, I hope stanley dont end up with a football league journeyman like a paul sturrock, brian little or john gregory.

If it is not the be the return of Coley, then go for someone young and well connected.
Phil Neville?

Coley and Bell would be my 1st choice, 2nd choice and 3rd choice.

But I would rather see us go with someone new with something to prove who would be willing to come on cheaper wages and a shorter deal who we could afford to sack if it didnt work out; we must not get bogged down with someone who has had more clubs than hot dinners.
 
If Phil Neville was to go straight in to management he would go to Bury, he probably owns a big chunk of it
 
"We want to repay that faith by building a squad that is capable of pushing to League One and beyond.".....J.Bell.

But then....."Fine words butter no parsnips".

So what's it to be. Can JC and JB returning to the scene of past triumphs but yet the bosom of the Club from which they defected when Dame Lucre flashed her seductive eyes, really deliver
the actions which mean more than just flattery or idle promises ?. .or will this impassioned plea turn out to be little more than a death-rattle for the pair ?. This imponderable must surely make the task of selecting a new leader a more difficult prospect for the Club !.some very interesting times afoot for us to deliberate upon methinks ?.



 
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The Flitcroft/Jansen pairing does appeal to me....IF the dynamic duo do not return.

Big gamble that one. Something akin to giving Beattie & Jeffers a shot at the job. And given that Chorley are short of cash at the moment, after somebody did a disappearing act with about £70k from their club coffers, they'd want top dollar when it comes to compo.

Not sure I'd want to gamble on that one myself:(
 
Great post, Carpon.

After getting over the initial shock, my mind kept coming back to Phil Neville, but I think it's unlikely.

Paul Cook has had loads of stick for the timing of his departure - he didn't control the timing of the opportunity that came his way - and in some ways, Leam's departure is worse given the relatively short time we have to try and get contracts sorted for players wanted at the club next season, sound out potential new players etc. Not many players will show much interest in playing for a manager less club, let alone sign, so I think there is a reasonable degree of urgency for us in making a new appointment.

Much as I would rather not see Coleman and Bell back in charge, I fear they will increasingly look the best option for a variety of reasons.
 
Big gamble that one. Something akin to giving Beattie & Jeffers a shot at the job. And given that Chorley are short of cash at the moment, after somebody did a disappearing act with about £70k from their club coffers, they'd want top dollar when it comes to compo.

Not sure I'd want to gamble on that one myself:(

Agree.

Can Carpon explain why Phil Neville, if Coley and Bell where not selected, would be such a bad suggestion?
 
Don't think Phil Nev is a bad suggestion, But Bury has always been his club.;) In fact think his mam still works yon?
 
and in some ways, Leam's departure is worse given the relatively short time we have to try and get contracts sorted for players wanted at the club next season, sound out potential new players etc. Not many players will show much interest in playing for a manager less club, let alone sign, so I think there is a reasonable degree of urgency for us in making a new appointment.

Much as I would rather not see Coleman and Bell back in charge, I fear they will increasingly look the best option for a variety of reasons.

And therin is the main crux of the matter. Chesterfield have all the info they need to prize away our better players. A bloke who awarded and negotiated the majority of their contracts and an assistant who has got the best out of them when the "chips were down" so to speak.

Personally, I think Richardson has the makings of being a much better manager than Cook will ever be. Which makes Leam's decision to go working as his number two baffling and all the more unpalatable. :o

Now if we make a quick appointment of Coley & Bell, maybe, just maybe they would manage to persuade key players that it would be worth hanging around at the Crown for another season to be part of a revolution so to speak. I'm sure they could probably bend player's ears about making them better players.

And add to that Coleman has proved countless times already is an alchemist when it comes to nurting undiscovered talent.....

I'm no bookie and as yet haven't seen any markets offered for our next manager by any of the bookies, but I'd imagine Coleman ( & Bell ) will be massive odds on favourite for the job.
 
Can Carpon explain why Phil Neville, if Coley and Bell where not selected, would be such a bad suggestion?

More likely an "un-realistic" suggestion.

For numerous reasons. Mainly his affinity and connections to Bury and his probable wage demands.

Bury fans are in the dark about their current financial situation at the moment. Numerous rumours doing the rounds among Shakers fans are that the Neville family are supposed to be one of the "interested" parties looking to invest.

By that reckoning if the Nevilles did invest and invest in a big way (i.e stump up most or all of the supposed £1million they want to secure things long term) , Phil therfore has the perfect opening to his managerial career.:rolleyes:

And secondly, I can't see a character like Phil Neville working for comparative peanuts at Stanley.:o
 
Lets hope its Coley and we dont need to speculate on other candidates.

IF Coley & Bell want to return, then to those fans opposed to their re-appointments, I'd challenge anyone to name two better candidates. Who would work with our budget. And could succeed in driving the club forward???

At the time when Leam was struggling to get results, I was opposed to your calls for the recall of Coley & Bell. I felt Leam deserved a chance to prove his worth and he didn't disappoint !!;)

Obviously Chesterfield ( & more so Cook ) have recognised Leams talent and his achievement in keeping Stanley in the League & working within diffucult conditions & prised him away.

I said it before, I can't blame Leam for going for a better paid job with less responsibility. I do however, think Cook is clever by getting Leam as his assistant, as I feel it will be Richardson's input into Chesterfield that will gain more kudos for Cook than it will Leam. They say Peter Taylor was the leading light in the successful partnership between Cloughie & Taylor at Derby & Forest. I can only see it being similiar for Leam whilst he plays second fiddle to Cook.:(

Hence why I, like others, find it baffling why he wants to be in Cook's shadow rather than in the limelight here.:confused:

Anyway, we now face a different situation and as a result we now find ourselves managerless at a crucial stage where our players are all soon to be out of contract. Quite a few of the lads, Deano, Rommy, Bavs, Podge etc, all know Coley & Bell. And know how they operate. And that could be crucial when it comes to persuading these lads where to sign. We also don't have to pay compo for sacking anybody and have a vacant position ( or positions to fill )

And the longer we dither and stall on making a decision about our next manager, the more difficult the job becomes for the new bloke.:o

And to those who doubt the wisdom of re-appointing Coley & Bell. When they left for 'Dale, we were looking like mounting another assault on the upper echelons of League Two and another tilt at the play-offs.

Cook came in and, if there is one thing to be gratefull to Cook for, he did sign some decent players. Leam stabilised the ship, signed a few more decent players and saw us safe.

We've therefore received four lots of compensation and could get the main men back for nothing (i.e paying compo to someone else ) to oversee a squad containing some cracking players (if they manage to keep the majority, or by some miracle, keep all of the key men on board)

Round pegs, square holes. I can only see re-appointing Coley & Bell as a perfect solution to our problem.:o
 
I'm adamant with the rest of you that the club has moved on behind the scenes since they left - but is that not because they had to, and that it would have happened anyway?

Thats rubbish macca saying club moved on but would have happened anyway, We would have gone to the wall simple as, if Mr Khan had not stepped in. Yer memorys getting worse than mine n i'm n owd fart.

where have I mentioned the club going to the wall and needing IK to step in?

Coleman and Stanley were as tinpot as they come and we played up to it. Some of it might have been Coleys doing, much of it might have been EW. Once Coleman left and Cook came in a lot was done at professionalising the backroom set-up. I suggest you give yer reading glasses a wobble and try to interpret a post before quoting it!

The inference from many (and Rochdale fans included) is that we would be going back to an unprofessional set-up should they return. Personally I dispute that because a lot has changed since they left and a goodly portion of it is nothing to do with whether they were here or not.

Back to the thread ...

qualities required for the job
an understanding of footballing life without the luxuries
an understanding of what it is like to work with one hand tied behind your back and the other in a tigers mouth - whilst needing a wee and you've got your best suit on
an understanding that quality may be low on the ground so you have to work with what you've got and get the best from it
somebody who understands the club mentality

I'm pretty sure JC ticks every box, is available now and will know the current squad very well due to his alleged recent work with us and obviously still close relationship with the club and recent manager.

For publicity sake I'd like us to release details of the applicants just to try and stir some interest in the club around town.

Phil Neville? still haven't forgiven him for Euro 2000 ....
 
an understanding that quality may be low on the ground so you have to work with what you've got and get the best from it....

Should Coley ( & Bell) be appointed and manage to sign the majority of this squad to new deals, I disagree. We'd have the foundations of a bloody good side at this level.

somebody who understands the club mentality....

Nailed on......

I'm pretty sure JC ticks every box, is available now and will know the current squad very well due to his alleged recent work with us and obviously still close relationship with the club and recent manager.

Nailed on.....

For publicity sake I'd like us to release details of the applicants just to try and stir some interest in the club around town.....

Will never happen. I can't really see "high profile" names applying for the job. With the exception of Coley & Bell (proven candidates for the role) we'd probably have a lot of out of work has beens, Un-tried or tested wannabes....Confidentiality....blah,blah,blah.... Whilst realising the sentiment behind this statement, in reality it won't happen:o

Re-appointing Coley would throw us briefly back into the spotlight. The prodigal son returns & all that. If he then re-ignites the fire that burned during his last stint in charge......:D

As for the town . The interest has waned since we got back to the league. The club have slashed prices in a bid to get numbers up......we now need an appointment to fire the imagination of the public of Accrington. And drag the floating supporter back to the Crown.
 
Meself after thought i would like to see it offered to James Beattie, wi Franny as assistant n still playing.:) Whilst they would be completely new to football management, I don't see the likes of Mourinho as n option.:) Dunno if they would even be interested or not.
 
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