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Gayle said:
I agree with you A-B. I will bring everyone back to the very first thread that I posted on (for the benefit of Jaysay I've put the link here)

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f69/behalf-gayle-night-8867.html?highlight=panopticon

Yet over time I have come to be 'accepted' as a valued member of the forum. People often don't agree with me but you know what, I don't care, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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Thank you Gayle for that "Blast from the Past" It took an hour to wade through the replies which numbered over 200 but as a newbie, you more than held your own, you really took some stick and I am sure that your "acceptance" by other members was as much to do with your tenacity in this, your first thread than your many other excellent threads. :D BTW, I still don't agree with many of your thoughts. - - - :p
 
Gayle said:
I'm sorry Cyfr but I disagree with you - a leader is selected because they have leadership skills. It is that person who has to make the decisions, who has to motivate and who has to take responsibility for everything. By what you are saying it sounds like you're about to absolve Tony Blair of any failings in his leadership too. If a leader wishes to take credit for the successes of an area then they also have to take responsibility for the mistakes.

As for the housing - at no point did I say that any new houses had turned into slums.

As for saying 'they can't win no matter what they do' - that is the ultimate cop out. Oh, we won't win so we might as well not do anything.
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For sure, if they take credit they need to also take responsibility for the mistakes (not that blair has done much of that).. what exact mistakes are we talking about here?
Why is it the fault of the council and not the government that existing housing estates have become slums?

'They can't win no matter what they do' is not a cop out. I was simply making a point that if the council use money to make something pretty it won't suit everyone and theres bound to be tons of people tearing them apart for not spending the money elsewhere..
 
Jaysay was online when I posted this. Of course he doesn't have to reply or defend himself, he is as entitled to his opinion as we all are, but it would make interesting read. Is it really so vile here?

I think that castigating this website as a place of 'vile tirades' does a diservice to the moderators and members of this forum who endeavour to keep it free from too personal an attack. Public figures should be able to be held up to personal scrutiny, just as John Farrer has done in this week's Observer for his own political ends.

I'm still wondering if I might be a 'crony', but since I'm not a member of any political party or having never met Graham Jones I doubt it.

I did once jokingly mention that Peter Britcliffe sadly wasn't pictured wearing speedos in the calendar that was posted through his ward's doors, and which I think is still under investigation for misuse of Council worker's time in it's production.

You have used the press to air your views, I hope Mr Farrer you will do the same here.
 
garinda said:
Jaysay was online when I posted this. Of course he doesn't have to reply or defend himself, he is as entitled to his opinion as we all are, but it would make interesting read. Is it really so vile here?

I think that castigating this website as a place of 'vile tirades' does a diservice to the moderators and members of this forum who endeavour to keep it free from too personal an attack. Public figures should be able to be held up to personal scrutiny, just as John Farrer has done in this week's Observer for his own political ends.

I'm still wondering if I might be a 'crony', but since I'm not a member of any political party or having never met Graham Jones I doubt it.

I did once jokingly mention that Peter Britcliffe sadly wasn't pictured wearing speedos in the calendar that was posted through his ward's doors, and which I think is still under investigation for misuse of Council worker's time in it's production.

You have used the press to air your views, I hope Mr Farrer you will do the same here.
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It would appear that a letter I sent to the Obs some 4 weeks ago has been published, I don't get my copy till the morning. It also appears that people don't like to hear the truth, it seems that its perfectly okay to make fun and castigate of a person who has given 23 years of service to the people of this borough. If you would like to trawl past threads on this site over the last 18 months you may just grasp what I am refering to, but there again it probably won't register will it.

If people want to look at what I have said on this web site they will see that I have never attacked anyone, all I have done is make comments on what others have said. If I remember rightly I also said that I allways give my name to letters published in the local press, unlike some people who attack others from immunity, I have used the name jaysay on this web site, but I would think that most people, especially in political circles know exactly what my real name is, in fact I told Gayle on May 5th as she thought that I was Pete Britcliffe, well for the rest of you my name is John D. Farrer, I am a life long Tory and proud of it, in fact a member for 44 years. I am not Britcliffes Poodle as some have said, I am just a life long friend, Peter deals with council matters I do my thing with the press. Just to make things very clear Peter has never had any say in what I write in letters nor have I told him what to do on council matters. When it comes to it we have both seen off plenty Labour supporters, it looks like Two Homes Jones will be the next. To those still on line good night, God Bless read you in the morning
 
Thank you John. Still be nice if you could quote the vile attacks supposedly made on here about Peter.:)
 
jaysay said:
It would appear that a letter I sent to the Obs some 4 weeks ago has been published
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Perhaps the use of a stamp will result in earlier publication next time.:D
 
garinda said:
Perhaps the use of a stamp will result in earlier publication next time.:D
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Don't use the post Gary I always Fax my letters, just can't even brake the habit and use "E" Mails, bit too long in the tooth me thinks
 
jaysay said:
To those still on line good night, God Bless read you in the morning
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A gentleman never goes back on his word. I thought you were off to bo-bo's, but no another post?:eek:

Nighty night, mind the bugs don't bite.:D
 
garinda said:
A gentleman never goes back on his word. I thought you were off to bo-bo's, but no another post?:eek:

Nighty night, mind the bugs don't bite.:D
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What ever made you think I was a gentleman Gary, that must be the best backhanded compliment I've had for many a long day, as for loging of well the ale hasn't worn of yet and I can't stand the Mint
 
The situation in the rented sector in this borough is abysmal. Ok we need more low cost houses to buy, but with the wages most people are earning in this borough, they will never be able to own their own homes. Why should, those of us, who are fortunate to be homeowners, turn a blind eye to the poor housing in the privately rented sector. The landlords are only interested in making big profits, and have scant regard for the conditions they expect their tenants to live in, whilst charging sky high rents. At the same time they are forcing down the house prices of the existing owner occupiers in areas, such as Woodnook, which means they can buy up even more houses at rock bottom prices to make even more money.
Could Jaysay, please can you explain, why it is more important to make cheep jibes at Graham Jones, (who is a hard working councillor, who is trying to improve the living conditions of his ward (Peel) and wants to make the whole borough a better place to live in, for everyone) than to start to tackle the real problems of this once proud borough.
Surely as Leader of the Council for 5 out of years last 6 years, Peter Britcliffe should hold up his hands and say he has got it completely wrong (I would have expressed it in more graphical terms – but don’t want to be accussed of using ‘vile’ language. The phrase ‘Fiddling whilst Rome Burned’ springs to mind. Can you please tell me when he is going to come back from cloud cuckoo land and join the real world,
 
jaysay said:
What ever made you think I was a gentleman Gary, that must be the best backhanded compliment I've had for many a long day, as for loging of well the ale hasn't worn of yet and I can't stand the Mint
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The Mint?

That television is the perfect example of the Tory free market economy at it's best.

Cheap to run and produces very few winners.;)
 
Lets not make quick remarks about the Tory ideologies shall we, or do we have to bring up 1997 and how the lefties had to become right wing to win an election? ;)
 
John (anonymously known as jaysay on here), you wrote in the ob,

"...(all the leters are my own work) I have always had my name and address published. This is unlike some people who hide behind pen names or ask for their names to be withheld. If you're not prepared to put your name to a letter and have it published then it's not even worth sending".

Why are you publishing letters/comments on here under a nome de plume then?
 
g jones said:
John (anonymously known as jaysay on here), you wrote in the ob,

"...(all the leters are my own work) I have always had my name and address published. This is unlike some people who hide behind pen names or ask for their names to be withheld. If you're not prepared to put your name to a letter and have it published then it's not even worth sending".

Why are you publishing letters/comments on here under a nome de plume then?
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Good point. Both Gayle Knight and Graham Jones post under there own names on here.

...and Cyfer I'll post exactly what I like about Tory policies. In 1997 you could say new Labour became a lot more right wing to win middle England, just as David Cameron is moving to the left with his gay friendly, multi-ethnic, women biased lists of contenders for by-elections. Bless.
 
Cyfr said:
Even the greatest of leaders needs people with motivation to follow
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I don't agree with you either. A leader should motivate his/her people. When necessary he/she needs to find ways to motivate them as well, not the other way round as you suggest.
 
garinda said:
Good point. Both Gayle Knight and Graham Jones post under there own names on here.
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As do I, but you don't garinda. Is there a reason for you hiding behind a girls name? ;)
 
garinda said:
Good point. Both Gayle Knight and Graham Jones post under there own names on here.

...and Cyfer I'll post exactly what I like about Tory policies. In 1997 you could say new Labour became a lot more right wing to win middle England, just as David Cameron is moving to the left with his gay friendly, multi-ethnic, women biased lists of contenders for by-elections. Bless.
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I'm afriad democracy is available to both sides no matter if you're left or right. I fail to see why moving towards a more representative set of MP's is somehow leftwing.
 
Neil said:
I don't agree with you either. A leader should motivate his/her people. When necessary he/she needs to find ways to motivate them as well, not the other way round as you suggest.
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I still stand by my words, some people simply are not interested in politics, and never will be no matter what leader they are given.
 
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