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Yep, there's a key word. Pity you can't spell it, but that's Labour's education policy for you. Obviously, you and I are destined not to agree on this one, but I still find it strange that the Tory clubs are populated by a dwindling band of reactionary dinosaurs, while all those right on, inclusive new Conservatives are somewhere out there...waiting.
 
DeShark said:
Lol... I hope that was sarcasm. Cause otherwise you just don't realise how funny you are.
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I'm friggin' hilarious, and don't you forget it.

If you do you are in DeNile.:)
 
I prefer them to be more in the middle than their party, that way you get the best policies of all parties through.Blair suggests something and because it's more middle, it takes the opposition to help him get it through. if blair was more extreme he wouldn't have suggested it all, because then he'd have his parties views. A leader should always be open to suggestions.

going back to 'two homes' how can you say that it's not an insult when he's actually said on here that he doesn't have two homes, he has one home and one house. Two jags had multiple homes, he lived in all, thats different. if someone has a second house thats let out as a business and you make out he has two homes thats an insult. It's not true.
 
Wynonie Harris said:
Yep, there's a key word. Pity you can't spell it, but that's Labour's education policy for you. Obviously, you and I are destined not to agree on this one, but I still find it strange that the Tory clubs are populated by a dwindling band of reactionary dinosaurs, while all those right on, inclusive new Conservatives are somewhere out there...waiting.
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60 Thousand people still voted for David Davis. It's quite likely that they could populate the Conservative Clubs with those people, because as I have said many times, they're traditionalists and thats where Conservative members traditionaly went.

The fact that you're trying to make out that the more moderate members are some kind of French Resistance hiding away waiting for the call to arms, is somewhat absurd. I just believe that they don't go to traditionalist places like the Con Club, heck i'm a member myself and I have never been to a Con Club.

No we're proberbly not going to agree, because you don't want to give in, and would rather use personal attacks when your argument is weak. You have no real responce, so you try and attack my argument because I can't spell correctly. You try to patronise me because I am younger than you, in an effort to get the upper hand in debate. Well, sir, you are not any better because you are older, and i'm quite proud of the fact that i've come such a long way in the spelling department since a few years back I could hardly spell at all, so i'm not too bothered about a few double letters missed here and there.
 
Cyfr said:
I just believe that they don't go to traditionalist places like the Con Club, heck i'm a member myself and I have never been to a Con Club.
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Most people that go to Ossy Con are only traditionalist in that they only go there because the drinks are cheaper than the pubs. I know lots of people that are members there that don't even vote Conservative.

Accrington used to have the largest Con club in the country. Since the last one closed down where do they meet now?
 
Wynonie Harris said:
However, once again, DeShark, I must pull you up for accusing me of things I haven't said. Where in my posts have I dismissed your statements as "puerile"? Do pay attention in future!
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Oh I do apologise. Me and my short attention span. It shall forever be my bane.

As for my unsupported "gut feeling"... It comes from watching as Labour ministers stand up, time and time again, asking if "The Prime Minister would agree that... *insert communist ideology here*?" to which Blair will reply 9 times out of 10 "Well... I understand... but... no". Thus... I can see first hand that Tony Blair does not agree with the rest of his party, in particular the back benchers. There is no measure of how left or right you are (except for the Political Compass of course =p) but it is possible to cite events when certain typically left-wing ideologies are dismissed out of hand by someone who would like to be seen as left-wing. More to the point, I've seen numerous interviews where Tony Blair has shrugged off any hints and him being left wing and not strongly disputed accusations of being right-wing. It is these events that lead to my gut feelings, not conversations with Old Labour supporters.


I do hope that I've not been neglecting to pay adequate attention once more, it might just drive me over the edge...:(
 
Cyfr said:
heck i'm a member myself and I have never been to a Con Club.
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So, you've never been to a Con Club, but you know all about the sort of people who go there? Classic! Wake up, Cyfr, and come out into the real world.

As for you, DeShark, you're quite happy to have a pop at me for patronising Cyrf, but then you indulge in sarcasm yourself. "It shall forever be my bane". Sixth form comedy.

I reckon you both have a bit of growing up to do but, never mind, one day you'll learn.
 
Wynonie Harris said:
So, you've never been to a Con Club, but you know all about the sort of people who go there? Classic! Wake up, Cyfr, and come out into the real world.


I reckon you both have a bit of growing up to do but, never mind, one day you'll learn.
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Again, perhaps you should try and form some sort of valid argument. You have already told me that the majority of Tories at the Conservative Club are very right wing. So why would I need to visit a Conservative Club to prove it?

Of course I have growing up to do, it's what people do, even you. However, to try and imply that because you're older your argument is somehow more valid, is absurd. If you don't have a good argument then you could givein, trying to fill the gaps in your argument with petty attacks is not the best way to get your view accross.
 
But if you went into a Con Club, you could actually talk to real, live Tory activists and...oh sod it. OK, Cyfr, you win, I "give in" (to use your phrase - you make it sound like an arm wrestling contest!).

I hereby declare that Cyfr is the winner of this debate. By the use of carefully reasoned arguments, he has indisputably proved that the majority of members in today's modern Conservative party are open-minded, idealistic individuals who have an inclusive approach to minorities and a deep concern with social justice for all members of society.

Happy now? Good. Right, I'm off to the pub to celebrate Father's Day with my kids. :)
 
It's reported in today's Observer that on Tuesday Cameron is to make a speech stating that 'married' homosexual couples will get the same tax advantages as hetrosexual married couples if we get a Tory government.

I'm sure Tories throughout the land will be sat in Con clubs raising a glass to the enlightened attitude of their leader.;)
 
So if you just live with your mate, you could get married and pretend to be gay just to get the tax incentives.

The only people who go in our con club are people after cheap booze or old dinosaur cons that still think if your conservative it's the right thing do, to drink there. I don't think any of the forward thinking open minded conservatives do. They're more likely to be in the market tavern, opposite side of the room to labour.
 
Madhatter said:
So if you just live with your mate, you could get married and pretend to be gay just to get the tax incentives.
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I presume so, just like a guy and girl who were sharing a flat could if they really wanted too.

Though when you moved out you'd have to get divorced and do it all again when you left for your next flat.

Though the divorce settlements may outweigh the tax advantages.;)
 
garinda said:
It's reported in today's Observer that on Tuesday Cameron is to make a speech stating that 'married' homosexual couples will get the same tax advantages as hetrosexual married couples if we get a Tory government.

I'm sure Tories throughout the land will be sat in Con clubs raising a glass to the enlightened attitude of their leader.;)
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It's funny you should say that, as the most Tory person I know is also the gayest person I know. He'll be happy about it. :)

As am I, despite not being gay, it just goes along with my stance on freedom. Not that I'm a Tory per se.

Wynomie Harris said:
I hereby declare that Cyfr is the winner of this debate. By the use of carefully reasoned arguments, he has indisputably proved that the majority of members in today's modern Conservative party are open-minded, idealistic individuals who have an inclusive approach to minorities and a deep concern with social justice for all members of society.
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So much for sarcasm being sixth form humour. :)
 
Come on, DeShark, Cyfr has already wiped the floor with me by the sheer persuasive power of his arguments. You wouldn't kick a man when he's down, would you? :(
 
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